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Fungible

Postby Crux » 2012 Nov 30 08:01

It is a fun word. Take the Federal Road you mention. The construction MUST use Union labor, or wage rate pay at least. We know this is COSTING taxpayers more as it makes the project more expensive. Perhaps by 20%. For some this is fungible. Not all money is equal. Public sector Unions and Private Sector Unions are a bit different. They are not fungible. The monies involved in pensions are not fungible. Is it defined benefit of defined contribution? I trust you geniuses know the differences, and they are not fungible.

Here's Mayor Bing, who wrestles with some of the fun in Democrat La La Land, Detroit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... SfcHKbYEBM

Grow up. "We are in an environment of ENTITLEMENT..."

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Re: Fungible

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Re: A Separate Reality

Postby Coondog » 2012 Dec 03 15:04

The ancient Egyptions built some fine archetectural monuments and the Romans built endurable roads, some of which are still in use today.

But, it's time some people who despise the idea of union labor, because they're told it's fashionable to do so, realize that infrastructure enhancement by the economical use of slave labor is no longer a viable option.

Major construction jobs payed for all or in part by a government entity generally go to the lowest bidder. Keep in mind, also, that the people employed who receive contracts or union wages or minimum wages are also tax payers who make a lot less than company bosses or the politicians who got bribed in the process.

There is at least something romantic about the days of the Old South and Stephen Foster and good manners. The slavery part is pleasantly nostalgic only to those who adhere to the tenents of the New South. The New South maintains the slave labor mentality, but Stephen Foster has been replaced by the likes of Ted Nugent and good manners are nowhere to be found.

Unions are the result of over a hundred years of blood and strugle against an abusive and repressive relationship between labor and management. The pendulum swings! The struggle continues, and as long as labor is not rendered powerless by malleable politicians, probably will continue for a long, long time. That's a good thing.

A semblence of fairness achieved through negotiation, regardless of the ugliness of the process, is preferable to the reinstitution of a subjugated class of human drones toiling away in sweat shops for a few farthings a day.

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Re: A Separate Reality

Postby Buck Turgidson » 2012 Dec 04 13:49

That's the ticket.
Yes, the ultimate objective of Republicans seems to be to help Walmart-type businesses drive American workers to the depths of despair.
What could be a more perfect objective than American workers as slave labor as used by the ancient Egyptian pharaohs?
Have the workers no gratitude?
Did we not refrain from killing them today?
Did we not allow them to work for us another day?
Did we not provide them with a few scraps of food?
Health care? Why should we pay for it? We can always get new workers if they sicken. We are merciful, helping them to die quickly.
Ungrateful wretches.

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Re: A Separate Reality

Postby fangz1956 » 2012 Dec 04 15:05

Ever looked at someone and thought "the wheel is turning but the hamster is dead"?

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More moral equivelency

Postby Crux » 2012 Dec 05 09:40

Egypt is not England, or Spain. Oh, you're making a philosophical point. I see... You know, Walmart has better prices on some quality products. I shop around. The health food store, Kroger, Food Lion, I support local business, AND I get certain items at Walmart, or ONLINE. Walmart has been a great thing for POOR PEOPLE.

Follow the money? How about the Academy that snubbed the documentary film that made more money at the box office than ALL 15 other films that were eligible COMBINED. 2016: It just didn't have the right politics...

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Re: A Separate Reality

Postby Coondog » 2012 Dec 05 14:59

Boycott Walmart? Ah! If only that was possible.

Walmart is an addiction without a cure. The Home of Low Prices has a strangle hold that no intervention, hyptnosis or rehab has the capacity to alleviate. Right now, I have a craving to purchase a Great Value product to assauge my hedonistic dependency. Any Great Value product will do. I just need a fix!

Perhaps I could survey the $5.00 DVD bin for a copy of 2016. I hear it made a lot of money, which means (to some) that it was very good and worthy of an Oscar. Then again, Transformers 2, a film targeting the least sophisticated element of society, made a lot of money. As far as I know, it didn't win Best Picture, either. But, I don't follow that Red Carpet tripe all that closely.

Having said that.......I'm off to Walmart!

Coondog :tiphat:

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An OSCAR is one thing....

Postby Crux » 2012 Dec 05 15:53

...mere CONSIDERATION is another...

Yes, connect the dots. BO invited the ENTIRE MSNBS/NBS NEWS/COMMENTARY line-up to the White House,
for "serious business"....

Connect the dots. Oh. Detroit is in the news. Too big to fail? Should we BAIL THEM OUT?

I wish I had a 10$ bill for every time one of you "intellectuals" uses the word TRIPE.

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Re: A Separate Reality

Postby fangz1956 » 2012 Dec 05 16:18

Actually, it's easier than one thinks to live without Walmart in your life. Everything you buy there can be had at other places. As long as we continue to support this kind of business model with our shopping dollars and our silence on their repugnant practices, they will continue to thrive and the band will play on.
Before the advent of the Big Box stores like Walmart, Main Street was a good place to purchase goods. Walmart and its ilk are the the root of the destruction of Main Street and local businesses. Get the picture, Skeezix????

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Ever looked at someone and thought "the wheel is turning but the hamster is dead"?

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What is your problem ?

Postby Crux » 2012 Dec 05 16:58

So you believe money is strictly FUNGIBLE or something? One dollar is just like any other dollar? Like a dollar spent at one store is the same as at another? Things cost different. Wall Mart pays as good as any Mom and Pop store, and then some. Is it entry level goods sold by entry level wage earners to entry level wage psyches?

Seriously. We are talking about the poor. And Middle Class. ..not the Rich Much. :dontknow:

You seem to think there is no place for Walmart. Fine. It does present certain bargains against all others. Pick a product. You might get a better quality part on the internet cheaper, or at the local main street store. Maybe not.

What is your problem. What if you need a bottle of liquid vitamin E. Or a micro wave. Sure produce from Food Lion is better, and if you want Converse All Stars at Peebles or Rent A Center or Goodwill...

Get you Oil Change where the hey you wish. Mom and Pop have to compete, and do quite well in a small niche.

I can hear Sam say. "I can remember my Mom say, Grow your own food. It's more satisfying and better for you too."

Educate if you must but heck, just don't boycott...
:crab: I'd actually like a flat screen TV in the back woods.

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Re: A Separate Reality

Postby Neck-aint-red » 2012 Dec 06 09:51

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Re: More moral equivelency

Postby Wise One » 2012 Dec 06 15:31

"If your only tool is a hammer, every problem looks like Donald Trump."

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Re: A Separate Reality

Postby Coondog » 2012 Dec 06 16:10

Once upon a time, not so long ago, individuals lacking education sought, sometimes against great obstacles, to acquire the education they lacked.

Today, the uneducated seem to prefer to band together and attend films rife with propaganda and superstition in order to make themselves less educated.

One must wonder if these are not the same people who, having died, reanimate into flesh eating Zombies......having no memory of their former selves, but retaining the same level of sophistication as before.

Coondog :laughing:

The only way to tell a zombie from it's living counterpart is, while the living have supressed the yearning for education by attending films like 2016, zombies often articulate their inherent desire to better themselves. "Brains! Want Brains!"

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For Neck,

Postby Crux » 2012 Dec 07 15:08

Dear Neck. Billionaires and Plumbers do IN FACT pay the same tax rates on Capital Gains. On income, higher wage earners pay a greater tax rate than lower wage earners. In fact fully half of tax filers pay ZERO income tax. The top 1% of wage earners, and we are talking income tax here, pay 42% of the total tax. The top 10% pays like 75% of the total income tax.

You like too many, conflate or confuse INCOME tax with CAPITAL GAINS tax. It is a fun game, but do you actually understand this or not???

2016: I think the connections between Obama and his mentors, Wright and Davis for example, his own father's Marxist ideologies, and Obama's own words and actions are anything but"tenuous". His own Mother's sympathies speak for themselves. I found the part about Obama's second dad (step dad) and brother's differing ideological views of economics/colonialism to be interesting. It was a bit slower as it went on but it was very interesting. Ignore it. Why not...

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Re: For Neck,

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Re: For Neck,

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Neck,

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Re: Neck,

Postby Neck-aint-red » 2012 Dec 09 12:04


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That's just it Neck,

Postby Crux » 2012 Dec 10 21:08

These "wealthy" folks DID pay higher taxes on their wages. They WORKED. They SACRIFICED. They RISKED. They SAVED and built and achieved, and then:

They invested. They RISKED their heavily taxed profits and risked them again. Capital LOSSES, they paid no tax. Capital GAINS and guess what:

They get taxed on that money AGAIN.

Sure it is at a lower rate. You can cry foul, but understand Capital-ISM. APPRECIATE these folks who have paid for all your glorious Governmental Projects:

Roads, medicines, universities, new products and services.

ETC

Don't be such a HATER, socialistic class warrior. It is WEALTH ENVY and CLASS WARFARE you spew, wicked little man.

Oh: Then all these "rich" turds die don't you know. You laugh and rub your hands together for again they will pay the "death tax". That nasty little inheritance tax paid somewhat vicariously through the heirs and assignees. :clap:

You really do need to get a grip upon your inappropriate guilt at being born white. MANY a good conservative no matter race, religion or creed would support your mental health and healing....

...or is just a more simple Utopian Fascism you suffer from???

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Re: That's just it Neck,

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