Yup. Shameless.
But the Republicans may be catching up.
Obama
National Security Leaks
by crux » 2012 Jun 13 17:21
...at the administration level... An Obama donor will be the investigator. NO independent special council. STUXNET exposed. KILL lists...Posturing for Political gain... IT'S OFFENSIVE. It is UGLY. It should not be ignored by the Left.
This is POISON along with Fast and Furious. Eric Holder LIABILITY. Obama duplicity. THIS is the stuff Hope is made of???
crux
This is POISON along with Fast and Furious. Eric Holder LIABILITY. Obama duplicity. THIS is the stuff Hope is made of???
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Re: Obama
by nudgewink » 2012 Jun 14 12:35
What in hell does that gibberish mean? (Don't answer, I don't think I can take it.)
The good news: you write like Nobel laureate William Faulkner
The bad news: it reads just like Benjy's chapter, and nobody can make sense of it.
The good news: you write like Nobel laureate William Faulkner
The bad news: it reads just like Benjy's chapter, and nobody can make sense of it.
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Do a little reading Nudge...
by crux » 2012 Jun 14 22:33
http://www.forbes.com/sites/gregorymcne ... l-counsel/
Decide for yourself if it is interesting. Obama has tried to make hay on the Osama shoot, his personal involvement in kill lists, drone attacks, and now these leaks. Figure it out for yourself. Or don't.
Simply attacking me, proves nothing about your intellectual curiosity. This seems to be where you start and end.
crux
Decide for yourself if it is interesting. Obama has tried to make hay on the Osama shoot, his personal involvement in kill lists, drone attacks, and now these leaks. Figure it out for yourself. Or don't.
Simply attacking me, proves nothing about your intellectual curiosity. This seems to be where you start and end.
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Re: Obama
by coondog » 2012 Jun 15 15:00
The opinion of Forbes Magazine means less than nothing to me. They're about as free with facts as the rest of the dubious sources you use to cite ficticious and overblown 'issues'.
As far as leaks go.....when it gets to the insidious level of Dick Cheney, let me know.
CD
As far as leaks go.....when it gets to the insidious level of Dick Cheney, let me know.
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Re: Obama
by Sam » 2012 Jun 15 16:29
Crux, my young man I always find it interesting when those who don't agree with the topic always always manage to devalue the source .
Only in America could the people who believe in balancing the budget and sticking by the country's Constitution be thought of as
"extremists
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Time will tell...
by crux » 2012 Jun 16 17:39
The National Security leaks are an affront to us all, Dems and Reps alike. Ask Dianne Feinstein: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/0 ... 78383.html
Read it in the Huffpo if you like. Just don't be lazy or a fool.
crux
Oh, and Holder will get his comeuppance too. He is a PATHETIC AG. Be honest. He is a real loser.
...and a dangerous social justice dweeb. He actually believes hate crimes are reserved for "blacks, Latinos, and gays...groups that have a history of oppression..." He is the cover boy for Fast and Furious, an absolute TRAVESTY.
Read it in the Huffpo if you like. Just don't be lazy or a fool.
crux
Oh, and Holder will get his comeuppance too. He is a PATHETIC AG. Be honest. He is a real loser.
...and a dangerous social justice dweeb. He actually believes hate crimes are reserved for "blacks, Latinos, and gays...groups that have a history of oppression..." He is the cover boy for Fast and Furious, an absolute TRAVESTY.
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Nudge, do you follow the news on F&F? Do you care?
by crux » 2012 Jun 18 18:46
crux wrote:...at the administration level... An Obama donor will be the investigator. NO independent special council. STUXNET exposed. KILL lists...Posturing for Political gain... IT'S OFFENSIVE. It is UGLY. It should not be ignored by the Left.
This is POISON along with Fast and Furious. Eric Holder LIABILITY. Obama duplicity. THIS is the stuff Hope is made of???
crux
nudgewink wrote:What in hell does that gibberish mean? (Don't answer, I don't think I can take it.)
The good news: you write like Nobel laureate William Faulkner
The bad news: it reads just like Benjy's chapter, and nobody can make sense of it.
The organization that represents 17,000 border agents sees the dangerous incompetence that is ERIC HOLDER AG.
Do you?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... signation/
Do you even know what F&F is all about?
Sheesh...crux...
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Re: Obama
by coondog » 2012 Jun 19 10:27
F & F was a dumb idea....with good intentions.
You could say the same about Romney's economic, social and foreign policies......except I won't vouch for the intentions.
Coondog
Postscript:
Let us not forget that Fast & Furious originated as an initiative of the Bush Administration.
And let us recognise that the flap over Holder has nothing to do with the F&F operation itself, but over the time line for providing additional documents related to discussions leading to corrections of locally prepared data contained in the JD response.
Just another chickensh*t, made up issue to distract from the failure of republicans to address JOBS.
As for Obama claiming executive privelege....that may be chickensh*t, too.....but at least he's learning to play the game forced on him by the machinations of conservative subversives. So....he acts a little like Dick Cheney, and you still don't like him!
You could say the same about Romney's economic, social and foreign policies......except I won't vouch for the intentions.
Coondog
Postscript:
Let us not forget that Fast & Furious originated as an initiative of the Bush Administration.
And let us recognise that the flap over Holder has nothing to do with the F&F operation itself, but over the time line for providing additional documents related to discussions leading to corrections of locally prepared data contained in the JD response.
Just another chickensh*t, made up issue to distract from the failure of republicans to address JOBS.
As for Obama claiming executive privelege....that may be chickensh*t, too.....but at least he's learning to play the game forced on him by the machinations of conservative subversives. So....he acts a little like Dick Cheney, and you still don't like him!
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Bull
by crux » 2012 Jun 20 15:58
Holder has withdrawn, or reversed, on the claim Mukasey (Bush) knew fo F&F. This is all Holder and Obama.
...and it is ugly and criminal and stupid and a major clusterflop...
Holder/Obama have to go, for so many reasons. F&F was criminal. The coverup continues.
Defending these clowns is dumb. 2,000 mostly semiautomatic rifles being sold to known drug cartel buyers in America, knowing these weapons were then walking to Mexico, being used to prosecute the narco traffickers terror upon The People of Mexico. Oh. Yes American Law Enforcement officers were shot and killed too...
What a mess 'dog. We gotta clean it up but BO is standing in the way.
...and it is ugly and criminal and stupid and a major clusterflop...
Holder/Obama have to go, for so many reasons. F&F was criminal. The coverup continues.
Defending these clowns is dumb. 2,000 mostly semiautomatic rifles being sold to known drug cartel buyers in America, knowing these weapons were then walking to Mexico, being used to prosecute the narco traffickers terror upon The People of Mexico. Oh. Yes American Law Enforcement officers were shot and killed too...
What a mess 'dog. We gotta clean it up but BO is standing in the way.
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Bull?
by coondog » 2012 Jun 21 11:05
Hey! YOU brought the issue up and asked the question, 'Do you even know what F&F is all about?'
This 'clusterflop' was carried out by the ATF. It was started in 2006. Was Obama president in 2006? I don't think so!
Is the Holder contempt issue about F&F? No! We already know all we need to know about F&F. The issue at hand (must I repeat myself?) is over bogus information provided by the ATF which was later corrected by the JD. The documents Congress wants pertain to the process of discovering and correcting the information within the JD. Has nothing to do with the actual F&F fiasco. Has to do with information gathering and paperwork after the fact.
One officer was killed (not officers). We already know all about that!
This is a political witch hunt. You know it. Fox News knows it. Congress knows it. But, they'll do it anyway because......that's all republicans do when you give them power.........abuse it!
According to NRA chief La Douche, Obama, who has not initiated one gun control measure since being in office is simply waiting to get re-elected so he can take away all our gun rights and eliminate the 2nd amendment and his plan includes purposefully providing guns to Mexican drug cartels so Americans will become so appalled by the killings they will clamor for gun control.
What paranoid delusional idiot would believe such nonsense? Wait! let me guess...........................
I took your advice and looked it up.
Take your own advice. Look it up!
Coondog
This 'clusterflop' was carried out by the ATF. It was started in 2006. Was Obama president in 2006? I don't think so!
Is the Holder contempt issue about F&F? No! We already know all we need to know about F&F. The issue at hand (must I repeat myself?) is over bogus information provided by the ATF which was later corrected by the JD. The documents Congress wants pertain to the process of discovering and correcting the information within the JD. Has nothing to do with the actual F&F fiasco. Has to do with information gathering and paperwork after the fact.
One officer was killed (not officers). We already know all about that!
This is a political witch hunt. You know it. Fox News knows it. Congress knows it. But, they'll do it anyway because......that's all republicans do when you give them power.........abuse it!
According to NRA chief La Douche, Obama, who has not initiated one gun control measure since being in office is simply waiting to get re-elected so he can take away all our gun rights and eliminate the 2nd amendment and his plan includes purposefully providing guns to Mexican drug cartels so Americans will become so appalled by the killings they will clamor for gun control.
What paranoid delusional idiot would believe such nonsense? Wait! let me guess...........................
I took your advice and looked it up.
Take your own advice. Look it up!
Coondog
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Re: Obama
by Sam » 2012 Jun 22 07:25
Hey Pal it was Wide Receiver and went from 2006 to 2007 under Bush with the knowledge of the Mexican Government. it was not the same as Fast and Furious.
After President Barack Obama took office in 2009, the DOJ reviewed Wide Receiver in September 2009[26] and found that guns had been allowed into the hands of suspected gun traffickers. Indictments began in 2010, over three years after Wide Receiver concluded. As of October 4, 2011, nine people had been charged with making false statements in acquisition of firearms and illicit transfer, shipment or delivery of firearms.[18] As of November, charges against one defendant had been dropped; five of them had pled guilty, and one had been sentenced to one year and one day in prison. Two of them remained fugitives.[23] Wikipedia
On October 26, 2009, a teleconference was held at the Department of Justice in Washington, D.C. to discuss U.S. strategy for combating Mexican drug cartels. Participating in the meeting were Deputy Attorney General David W. Ogden, Assistant Attorney General Lanny A. Breuer, ATF Director Kenneth E. Melson, Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) Administrator Michele Leonhart, Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation Robert Mueller and the top federal prosecutors in the Southwestern border states. They decided on a strategy to identify and eliminate entire arms trafficking networks rather than low-level buyers.[3][28][29] Those at the meeting did not suggest using the "gunwalking" tactic, but ATF supervisors would soon use it in an attempt to achieve the desired goals.[30] The effort, beginning in November, would come to be called Operation Fast and Furious for the successful film franchise, because some of the suspects under investigation operated out of an auto repair store and street raced.[3]
And from what I can read, the Mexican government knew nothing about Fast and Furious. No tracking of the weapons was done.
Pal, even if a similar project started under Bush, it would seem Obama would have not continued with the previous administrations policies as they were going to do their own thing. Both Obama and Holder have said they didn't know anything about Fast and Furious. Given just this information they sure need to be educated on the responsibilities of those in charge of an organization or country.
After President Barack Obama took office in 2009, the DOJ reviewed Wide Receiver in September 2009[26] and found that guns had been allowed into the hands of suspected gun traffickers. Indictments began in 2010, over three years after Wide Receiver concluded. As of October 4, 2011, nine people had been charged with making false statements in acquisition of firearms and illicit transfer, shipment or delivery of firearms.[18] As of November, charges against one defendant had been dropped; five of them had pled guilty, and one had been sentenced to one year and one day in prison. Two of them remained fugitives.[23] Wikipedia
On October 26, 2009, a teleconference was held at the Department of Justice in Washington, D.C. to discuss U.S. strategy for combating Mexican drug cartels. Participating in the meeting were Deputy Attorney General David W. Ogden, Assistant Attorney General Lanny A. Breuer, ATF Director Kenneth E. Melson, Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) Administrator Michele Leonhart, Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation Robert Mueller and the top federal prosecutors in the Southwestern border states. They decided on a strategy to identify and eliminate entire arms trafficking networks rather than low-level buyers.[3][28][29] Those at the meeting did not suggest using the "gunwalking" tactic, but ATF supervisors would soon use it in an attempt to achieve the desired goals.[30] The effort, beginning in November, would come to be called Operation Fast and Furious for the successful film franchise, because some of the suspects under investigation operated out of an auto repair store and street raced.[3]
And from what I can read, the Mexican government knew nothing about Fast and Furious. No tracking of the weapons was done.
Pal, even if a similar project started under Bush, it would seem Obama would have not continued with the previous administrations policies as they were going to do their own thing. Both Obama and Holder have said they didn't know anything about Fast and Furious. Given just this information they sure need to be educated on the responsibilities of those in charge of an organization or country.
Only in America could the people who believe in balancing the budget and sticking by the country's Constitution be thought of as
"extremists
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Re: Obama
by Wise One » 2012 Jun 22 10:14
This is a good tutorial on the legal status of "executive privilege" with a reasoned prediction on the eventual outcome of this kerfuffle.
This flop seems indistinguishable from a thousand other flops and injustices spawned by the misguided American War on Drugs. It's long past time to declare victory and move on to real problems.
This flop seems indistinguishable from a thousand other flops and injustices spawned by the misguided American War on Drugs. It's long past time to declare victory and move on to real problems.
"If your only tool is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail."
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The ATF
by coondog » 2012 Jun 22 12:33
The ATF is not known for results deemed desirable. It's miscalculations and bumbling have been an embarassment to administration after administration. They're like an unruly child. If you don't watch them every minute, they do something inane and destructive.
Sam points out that there was approval at the upper levels of government with the general concept.....but not with the specific operational details. As I said before, the intentions were honest.... whether under Bush or Obama and whatever the operation's name is. It is unfortunate that they left it to the ATF to carry out the operation. Eagle Scouts could have done a more competent job of it.
Ya want to limit the size of government? Get rid of the ATF!
The petulent children on the republican led committeed have jumped on the opportunity to make themselves obnoxious with the undisguised glee of a rat in a box of Cheerios. Having no original thoughts in their own heads, their siblings in the house of representatives will likely follow along like the lemmings they consistently emulate.
Remember....they promised this sort of stuff when they took over. Investigations! I supposed they were so used to doing nothing that it took them this long to come up with something........something lacking of substance.....but something. Once they realise they can get themselves interviewed more frequently on Fox News, they'll probably make up something else of no substance to cackle about.
Coondog
Where are the
jobs?
Sam points out that there was approval at the upper levels of government with the general concept.....but not with the specific operational details. As I said before, the intentions were honest.... whether under Bush or Obama and whatever the operation's name is. It is unfortunate that they left it to the ATF to carry out the operation. Eagle Scouts could have done a more competent job of it.
Ya want to limit the size of government? Get rid of the ATF!
The petulent children on the republican led committeed have jumped on the opportunity to make themselves obnoxious with the undisguised glee of a rat in a box of Cheerios. Having no original thoughts in their own heads, their siblings in the house of representatives will likely follow along like the lemmings they consistently emulate.
Remember....they promised this sort of stuff when they took over. Investigations! I supposed they were so used to doing nothing that it took them this long to come up with something........something lacking of substance.....but something. Once they realise they can get themselves interviewed more frequently on Fox News, they'll probably make up something else of no substance to cackle about.
Coondog
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Coondog as Nudgewink
by crux » 2012 Jun 22 22:24
I never directed my query at you 'dog... Terry and Zapata, that's TWO I believe, dead, if you'd like to know.
crux
Oh, and uncounted Mexicans, and American citizens. Letting these guns go under F&F was a tragedy.
"Gunwalking" stings in 06-07 were relatively limited, as compared to the 09-11 F&F operation. Obama and Holder, who are accountable for the F&F operation, and it's results, are at issue. This is an ugly mess, and it is laying at BO's feet.
Sorry. Holder is a painfully incredible AG, and BO is really, truly, in over his head, and will lose in November, BIG TIME.
crux
Oh, and uncounted Mexicans, and American citizens. Letting these guns go under F&F was a tragedy.
"Gunwalking" stings in 06-07 were relatively limited, as compared to the 09-11 F&F operation. Obama and Holder, who are accountable for the F&F operation, and it's results, are at issue. This is an ugly mess, and it is laying at BO's feet.
Sorry. Holder is a painfully incredible AG, and BO is really, truly, in over his head, and will lose in November, BIG TIME.
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Re: Obama
by coondog » 2012 Jun 25 11:30
Question: Do the toilets flush clockwise in the alternate universe you inhabit?
Even Grand Inquisator Issa, who hates Obama as much as you do, clears the white house on the fabricated cover up issue.
Check your Red State blog memo.....you're off message!
Coondog
Don't need no stinkin' talking points. I write my own stuff
Even Grand Inquisator Issa, who hates Obama as much as you do, clears the white house on the fabricated cover up issue.
Check your Red State blog memo.....you're off message!
Coondog
Don't need no stinkin' talking points. I write my own stuff
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Laughable
by crux » 2012 Jun 25 18:32
coondog wrote:
Even Grand Inquisator Issa, who hates Obama as much as you do, clears the white house on the fabricated cover up issue.
DOJ originally DENIED the existence of the program..
Congress was misled (lied to). If you can not see the forest or the trees, you are helpless. Holder has not been honest. "Deny, delay and recuse..." according to Issa.
He uses the very word "cover up" just on Sunday. You are not even trying to follow this. "Crime" is what is accused.
"Contempt" is at issue. "There can not be oversight if we are being lied to..." ~Issa
~crux It is what it is. Then some:
"We have emails which it is being said the results of this (F&F) can be used to pursue another assault weapons ban..."
Sorry. Obama is not all that. Holder neither.
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Ignorant
by coondog » 2012 Jun 27 11:16
Why do we not stash the Limbaugh Rehtoric and inform ourselves before slinging false allegations and republican talking points goonbabble around like confetti at a gay pride parade.
Fortune Magazine has a very good and comprhensive article on the subject. One might read THAT and become educated....or continue to believe the toxic barf from the right.
http://features.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2012/06/27/fast-and-furious-truth/?hpt=hp_t2
Learn........if you dare!
Coondog
Fortune Magazine has a very good and comprhensive article on the subject. One might read THAT and become educated....or continue to believe the toxic barf from the right.
http://features.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2012/06/27/fast-and-furious-truth/?hpt=hp_t2
Learn........if you dare!
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Re: Informed
by crux » 2012 Jun 27 14:01
I read the article. Hardly some final word...
Hardly a definitive article. You've been to a gay pride parade 'dog?
Limbaugh? Heck I have Sharpton to look to: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/al-shar ... interview/
Hardly a definitive article. You've been to a gay pride parade 'dog?
Limbaugh? Heck I have Sharpton to look to: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/al-shar ... interview/
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Romney
by crux » 2012 Jul 10 20:19
Mitt Romney is a far better Executive to an American Free Enterprise economy.
Some attack, but be clear. Obama is an economic disaster ON EVERY FRONT. Romney would limit the size and role of Federal Government. I realize in an America where it has NEVER been more lucrative to be a Government Dependent, that 44% of folks will vote for the fool...
BO wants to EXTEND the Bush Tax Cuts again, except for those earning $250,000 or more (read here a couple earning...and the volumes of small businesses).
Go ahead and crow. CHAMPION the foolishness.
Just acknowledge that the BTC were cuts for ALL tax payers, and removed (millions of) taxpayers from the tax roles, and made the tax distribution EVEN MORE Progressive (shifting a greater burden to the "rich").
BO is a smug arrogant narcissistic PUNK. Dangerous YES.
You who support this goon so blindly and happily ("happy dance" re: American Healthcare i.e.) make me sick.
God Bless Capitalism and the Private Sector and My Obummer go down in flames...
crux
Some attack, but be clear. Obama is an economic disaster ON EVERY FRONT. Romney would limit the size and role of Federal Government. I realize in an America where it has NEVER been more lucrative to be a Government Dependent, that 44% of folks will vote for the fool...
BO wants to EXTEND the Bush Tax Cuts again, except for those earning $250,000 or more (read here a couple earning...and the volumes of small businesses).
Go ahead and crow. CHAMPION the foolishness.
Just acknowledge that the BTC were cuts for ALL tax payers, and removed (millions of) taxpayers from the tax roles, and made the tax distribution EVEN MORE Progressive (shifting a greater burden to the "rich").
BO is a smug arrogant narcissistic PUNK. Dangerous YES.
You who support this goon so blindly and happily ("happy dance" re: American Healthcare i.e.) make me sick.
God Bless Capitalism and the Private Sector and My Obummer go down in flames...
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