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Hasan, the government failed

Postby Sam » 2009 Nov 12 08:28

Ok Folks, it seems this guy was on alot of officials radar but was shipped to Ft. Hood to get rid of the problem. I gotta feel that being political correct has gone too far. Way I understand it, many were reluctant to report or deal with this terrorist's behavior etc because he was a Muslim.
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Re: Hasan, the government failed

Postby Uji » 2009 Nov 12 10:33

Sam wrote: Way I understand it, many were reluctant to report or deal with this terrorist's behavior etc because he was a Muslim.

You think some of the reluctance might have had to do with the fact the guy was a Colonel in US Army as well as a psychiatrist?
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Re: Hasan, the government failed

Postby Sam » 2009 Nov 12 19:33

He is a Major in the Army, a mediocre psychiatrist, considered a big problem by his superiors and thereby shipped to Ft. Hood so they could deal with him. Had ties to Muslim extremists, posted and ranted about his extremist views. Yeah, he was a psychiatrist and DRs stand together, been there seen that. There were too many red herrings going on in this man’s life and many choose to ignore them. So why?
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Re: Hasan, the government failed

Postby Wise One » 2009 Nov 12 20:39

It's pretty obvious to me.

The officer corps of the US Army hates America and conspired with Hasan to kill as many troops as possible at Ft. Hood.

Obama was in on the plot, following the orders of a tribal chieftain in the remote part of Kenya where he was born, firmly controlled by militant Islamists.

And the genius feature of the plot is that it was executed in a medical facility, a carefully planned ploy designed to cast a poor light on US medical care, all for the purpose of taking over our healthcare so that Michele Obama can set up those death panels as soon as possible. Sasha and Malia will be making the final life or death decisions.

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Re: Hasan, the government failed

Postby Sam » 2009 Nov 12 21:49

Yeah right, get your tongue out of your cheek. Sarcarsam abounds.
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Re: Hasan, the government failed

Postby fangz1956 » 2009 Nov 13 09:26

We really need only to revisit the Walter Reed travesty to understand why this happened and who dropped the ball.


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Re: Hasan, the government failed

Postby Uji » 2009 Nov 13 11:09

Sam wrote:There were too many red herrings going on in this man’s life and many choose to ignore them. So why?


That sure seems to be the case, Sam. And as Fangz points out -- along with the Walter Reed mess -- it's pretty clear that there's a real mess in the army medical system.

And I think you're right about him being handled with kid gloves because he is Muslim, too. But that's the price of a liberal democracy. We can go too far to accommodate difference -- but how do you know how far is too far before the fact? In hind-sight, seems like Husan should have been isolated as a serious problem -- and perhaps a more robust army medical establishment might have done so. A sad mess. :neutral:
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Re: Hasan, the government failed

Postby Sam » 2009 Nov 13 17:19

Yeah, hindsight is always better. But knowing how things work, there are going to be heads rolling. They will find someone to blame it all on, besides the alleged killer/terrorist?
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Re: Hasan, the government failed

Postby coondog » 2009 Nov 13 18:13

Well, it sure seems like the Conservative Crackpots are already blaming it on Obama. And why not? Surely he knows every soldier in his command on a personal basis. (more unsolicited sarcasm).

It's not as important that heads roll as it is for eyes to be opened. And I'm not talking only about from the perspective of identification of religious fanatics. Mental health in this country is a much neglected issue. One must wonder at the overall effectiveness with people like THIS guy in charge.

I agree with Sam. The government SHOULD be responsible. We need vastly extended public health care to deal with the increasingly unhinged elements, both in and out of the military. And of varying fanatical religious persuasions. The government needs not only to keep an eye on these people, but insist that they get the much needed treatment they require.

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But......in hindsight......sending them to Afghanistan might not be a good idea.
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Re: Hasan, the government failed

Postby Sam » 2009 Nov 15 10:11

coondog wrote:Well, it sure seems like the Conservative Crackpots are already blaming it on Obama. And why not? Surely he knows every soldier in his command on a personal basis. (more unsolicited sarcasm).


Hadn't heard that -

Our mental health system is run by a bunch of crackpots. It needs a overhaul. Rights of the mentally ill verses rights of citizens.
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Re: Hasan, the government failed

Postby fangz1956 » 2009 Nov 18 18:24

This mess just continues to deepen by the day. I was reading an article Camp Lejeune Whistle-blower Fired and was appalled that the Navy would have stopped this psychiatrist dead in his tracks given the travesty of Walter Reed.

Some further reading has revealed that the contractor providing staffing doesn't exactly have a sterling record.

is this a new facet of the military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy?

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Re: Hasan, the government failed

Postby Sam » 2009 Nov 19 09:40

fangz1956 wrote:is this a new facet of the military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy? :salut:



It's "we know but we ain't gonna tell"

Drumroll - that's why they shipped him off to Ft. Hood.
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