So Called Stimulus Bill


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Postby resigned » 2009 Feb 17 07:38

I really understand how 10th feels regarding the computerized health records. l I had a similar experience and it can make one wary. I feel very vulnerable knowing that my records instead of being in my doctors office on file in a file cabinet are computerized and out there for any hacker to get access to them. I do understand the technicalities of computerizing all health records and the many advantages, but I also understand the disadvantages. I would encourage all to keep their own records which I do. I have a note book where I jot down when I saw a doctor, the outcome and always ask for copies of any tests done so I have my own medical file.

The computerization of health records would be more acceptable if I knew they weren't so easy to hack into. But knowing we are in a more technological age means those of us who didn't grow up with computers and the internet are going to have to change. Still doesn't stop me from feeling the way I do.

This world is moving way too fast for me.


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Postby resigned » 2009 Feb 17 07:49

Another example is Facebook which has changed their terms of use to delete the part where users can remove their information at any time. So people who post on Facebook and provide information on themselves could possibly have that information used by Facebook in what ever manner they deemed so. Facebook has denied that they would but have not put the clause back into the terms of use.


Re: So Called Stimulus Bill

Postby resigned » 2009 Feb 18 06:28

Wise One wrote:There is funding for research to compare the relative effectiveness of many treatments, that is, attempting to evaluate how well already-developed treatments work and at what cost compared to each other.

Yes, that was what I should have said, but didn't refer back to the bill. Trying to write about something off the top of my head is a no no for me. :hammer:


Re: So Called Stimulus Bill

Postby 10thFO » 2009 Feb 18 07:48

Trendsetter, I know what the issues are with the current system. It doesn't work. However, you are fully capable of taking your Xrays, or MRI's with you in digital form. Matter of fact I have my last two MRI's on disc right in front of me, and come this evening at about 7:30 I'll be walking out of the VA hospital with an MRI that has just been completed within the hour. Usually the problem with that is, I'll be taking it to an outside neuroseurgeon, who will more than likely tell me, "I don't use those records, (Money Grab), we'll start with our own xrays, and then another MRI if we need it".

Also as for the VA, they are supposed to be able to pull up the xrays and mri's at other facilities within their system, but they can't because of some glitch in a piss poor system that we have spent way to much money on. I'll stand by my statement, that when you have Dr's that will have to enter in the info, there will still be errors. And I hate to think of the Dr.'s in the beginning, who just tell there assistants, to type in their dictation. At least at the VA each individual Dr. has to type in their records, which is nice in a way, as they do it, while you are sitting there, but it's kinda like going in for a job application. They ask you a question, you answer, they hunt and peck the answers, then a minute later, another question. No real string of dialog anymore.

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Physicians have Strong Opinions on the Stimulus Bill

Postby Wise One » 2009 Feb 19 11:52

Physicians' Opinion of Financial Bail Out Package:

The Allergists voted to scratch it, but the Dermatologists advised not
to make any rash moves.

The Gastroenterologists had sort of a gut feeling about it, but the
Neurologists thought the Administration had a lot of nerve.

The Obstetricians felt they were all laboring under a misconception.

Ophthalmologists considered the idea shortsighted.

Pathologists yelled, "Over my dead body!" while the Pediatricians
said, 'Oh, Grow up!'

The Psychiatrists thought the whole idea was madness, while the
Radiologists could see right through it.

Surgeons decided to wash their hands of the whole thing.

The Internists thought it was a bitter pill to swallow, and the
Plastic Surgeons said, "This puts a whole new face on the matter."

The Podiatrists thought it was a step forward, but the Urologists were
pissed off at the whole idea.

The Anesthesiologists thought the whole idea was a gas, and the
Cardiologists didn't have the heart to say no.

In the end, the Proctologists won out, leaving the entire decision up
to the assholes in Washington.
"If your only tool is a hammer, every problem looks like Donald Trump."


Re: So Called Stimulus Bill

Postby resigned » 2009 Feb 19 12:01

Always appreciate humor.


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Re: So Called Stimulus Bill

Postby Amy Probenski » 2009 Apr 07 14:15

Richard Fitch, in the News-Gazette on April 1, 2009 wrote:Reader: Don't Walk Away From Stimulus Money

Editor's note: Normally, we don't put letters to the editor in this spot, but we're putting this one here because of its timeliness. The letter was received this week for publication in this Wednesday's paper, but by Wednesday you, the public, won't have the chance to act because the General Assembly is meeting that day and will debate the issue.

Editor, The News-Gazette:
Should Virginia walk away from $125 million in federal stimulus funds for unemployment insurance benefits?
The recently enacted federal stimulus bill provides incentive funding for states that modernize their unemployment systems.

Governor Kaine proposed making two changes so that Virginia can draw $125 million more in federal dollars for unemployment insurance. His amendments would:

1) Expand unemployment eligibility to two groups of workers: those seeking part-time work and workers doing job training. The amendment allows 26 additional weeks of benefits for people who lost jobs in declining industries and are enrolled in training. The amendment also allows workers laid off from part-time jobs to seek part time work.

2) Extend unemployment benefits by an additional 13 weeks on top of the regular 26 weeks and 20-week extension already in effect.

There should not even be debate in the General Assembly over whether we make these changes. How out of touch must a legislator be to even consider walking away from $125 million in federal dollars that will help thousands of laid-off workers pay for groceries, buy their kids medicine and afford their monthly bills, especially when Buena Vista and Lexington are approaching a 10 percent unemployment rate?

Contact our members of the General Assembly and demand they vote to give our citizens this extra benefit: Del. Ben Cline, (540) 261-9700, and Sen. Emmett Hanger Jr., (540) 885-6898.


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The Federal Reserve. GENIUS!

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Re: So Called Stimulus Bill

Postby Wise One » 2010 Nov 17 07:26

Very funny, and sharp, Nudge.

Warren Buffet, master capitalist, nails it in his letter today.

Take that, Republican know-nothing tea-partyers!

"If your only tool is a hammer, every problem looks like Donald Trump."


Re: So Called Stimulus Bill

Postby ParkerLongbaugh » 2010 Nov 18 09:08

Paul Volcker, Wolfgang Schaeuble and several other notables oppose the QE- and they neither TeaParty folks nor economic slouches.

I guess we'll see soon enough...

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Re: So Called Stimulus Bill

Postby Coondog » 2010 Nov 18 14:32

What's a QE?

The difference between Buffet &Volker is that Buffett plays with his own money and Volker plays with ours. Their perspectives may be different on that account.

I never was much for the "bar codes on everybody's forehead" scenario, but there should be some way to discern whose pocket someone is in before we lend credence to their point of view. We are living in a world where commonly agreed upon reality is defined by the loudest and most persistent voice, whether or not that reality has any basis in........reality.

We are about to enter a new age, where the national discourse will be dominated by people who believe we would have been better off if the banking system had collapsed, the auto industry died and that a corporate takeover of government is preferable to regulatory oversight.......that a consumer protection agency exemplifies the depths of socialism.

Virtually very economic indicator of late evidences modest, yet sustained, positive improvement. Yet, prevailing rhetoric demands that we "reverse course". In their infinitely misinformed wisdom, the American voter has rejected the previous course in favor of a "scorched earth" dismantlement of government's ability to function domestically.

But, I would inquire, if you elect people to govern who advocate the failure of government .....what do you expect to happen?

I have to wonder if the citizens of the Roman Empire also succumbed to collective insanity before their world imploded.....overrun and destroyed forever by ignorant, ruthless barbarians?

:surrend: Coondog

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Re: So Called Stimulus Bill

Postby Wise One » 2010 Nov 19 12:21

Coodog, you are the man! Well, actually you are the pooch and maybe that's close enough.

Your take on the depressing state of politics in America is all too accurate, damn your eyes.

Here's a YouTube snippet that illustrates an example (boy, they are rare!) of a Republican elected official who actually talks sense.

Naturally, the Republican party ejected him for daring to speak truth, withholding their nomination for his reelection as Congressman from South Carolina. "Not crazy? Then we don't want you!"

"If your only tool is a hammer, every problem looks like Donald Trump."


Re: So Called Stimulus Bill

Postby ParkerLongbaugh » 2010 Nov 22 10:21

coondog wrote:Virtually very economic indicator of late evidences modest, yet sustained, positive improvement.

I don't think the facts support your claim.

"Real average hourly earnings for all employees fell 0.1 percent from September to October"
Bureau of Labor Statistics, 17Nov10,

"The number of unemployed persons, at 14.8 million, was little changed in October. The unemployment
rate remained at 9.6 percent and has been essentially unchanged since May."
Bureau of Labor Statistics, 5Nov10,

"The Producer Price Index for Finished Goods increased 0.4 percent in October, seasonally
adjusted, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reported today. This advance followed a 0.4-
percent rise in both September and August. At the earlier stages of processing, prices received by
manufacturers of intermediate goods moved up 1.2 percent in October, and the crude goods
index increased 4.3 percent. On an unadjusted basis, prices for finished goods advanced 4.3
percent for the 12 months ended October 2010, their largest year-over-year gain since a 5.1-
percent rise in May 2010."
Bureau of Labor Statistics, 16Nov10,

The US Debt trend:
as of 09/30/2010 13,561,623,030,891.79
09/30/2009 11,909,829,003,511.75
09/30/2008 10,024,724,896,912.49
09/30/2007 9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 8,506,973,899,215.23

The debt amount on the 18th of this month was up to 13,788,455,142,118.05 ... histo5.htm

So unemployment is flat, real income is dropping while the price of good and services is increasing, and our national debt continues to grow at a mindboggling rate to a truly staggering amount.

So if inflation, income levels, debt levels and unemployment aren't the economic indicators that fall into "virtually every economic indicator of late" that are showing improvement, I'm curious what indicators you think are? Sure, we all saw the headline about jobs being created- but if you look closer and see the number of unemployed folks stayed the same it isn't hard to figure out what else happened (but wasn't a headline)...

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Re: So Called Stimulus Bill

Postby Coondog » 2010 Nov 22 19:54


How about this? How about Obama gives the republicans back the country in exactly the same shape it was in when he got it from them, eh? Same GDP....same decline rate in employment (an unchanged rate is infinately better than a steep downward spiral ala Bush) ....same economy....two unpaid for wars.

Positive growth is positive growth! We all know unemployment lags behind recovery. Real average earnings didn't fall for that upper 3% who say they desperately need extension of the Bush Tax Cut bonanza.

If or when this country goes belly up, it won't be because of too much generosity or patriotism or lack of greed on the part of corporate interests....the venue of the filthy rich. It certainly won't be because of efforts to economicly empower the bottom 97% by those despised liberal 'socialists'.

It will be because the top 3% has sucked all the wealth out of this country and invested it overseas. They will not spend a thin dime to expand or hire because there is no money left to be made here. Unless the government taxes these clowns and invests in infastructure, thus stimulating the have-nots with money to entice the got-everythings to cast their rhumey eyes upon getting it potential profit, this boat is sunk.

If not the government, who provides the necessary capital to the lower economic echelons?

If not the government, who's job is it to provide for the general welfare? Promote domestic tranquility? GE? Bank of America? Exxon? They don't even PAY taxes!

Despite the convoluted, self defeating and maniacal contortions the government undergoes, it is still the only advocate for we the people where we and it are sorely out gunned by those got-everythings and the flunkys they bought elections for.

Coondog :hum:

We done been had!


Re: So Called Stimulus Bill

Postby ParkerLongbaugh » 2010 Nov 23 08:32

An assertion is made, I provided backed-up numbers to challenge it and asked what other basis for your assertion was- and the answer back is “Bush was bad!” Seriously? It is little wonder we, as a country, can't work together to sort this mess out. :sad:

As far as a downward spiral in employment under Bush:

Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey
Series Id: LNS14000000
Labor force status: Unemployment rate
Type of data: Percent or rate
Age: 16 years and over


I would hope we can agree that whether the president is Carter or Clinton or Reagan or Bush or Obama, the Congress has a much larger role in economic issues. For the last 40 years, its pretty easy to tie the actions of our Congress to the unemployment rate.

I understand folks have their issues and enemies- I'll admit to the same. But when that skews our thoughts and actions, especially in the face of contradictory facts, our ability to rationally deal with shared problems suffers.

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Re: So Called Stimulus Bill

Postby Coondog » 2010 Nov 23 10:16

Sorry! I meant Job Loss Rate.

I'd post some fansy shmansy charts of my own, but I'm too computer illiturite. I was watching the news this moring and they say the GDP grew 2.5% in the 3rd Quarter evidencing greater than expected growth....larger than at any time since some month in 2006.

Oh yeah....consumer spending is up 1%. (Mattresses are correspondingly thinner!) Consumers make up two thirds of economic something. Chrysler is making cars. The Chargers beat the Broncos.

I see a glass half full. When I strart with an empty glass, I call that improvement. And if it's Jack Danials, all the better!

For the record......pointing out results of economic deficiencies of policies of the Bush Administration is not just saying "Bush was Bad!". ............even if (until he took over the presidency in his final year) he was!

Are we so loathe to credit Obama with anything positive?


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In the name of Stimulus...

Postby Crux » 2011 Jan 17 15:10

coondog wrote:Are we so loathe to credit Obama with anything positive?

...well...he did finally extend all current Federal Income Tax Rates for two more years I guess...
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He is a classic liberal, a libertarian at heart, and a conservative in the classical sense...