Glenn Greenwald wrote: Lemon: Don't you think it's a bit different considering what happened on 9/11? And the people have said there's a need for it in Lower Manhattan, so that's why it's being built there. What about 10, 20 blocks . . . Midtown Manhattan, considering the circumstances behind this? That's not understandable?
Patel: In America, we don't tell people based on their race or religion or ethnicity that they are free in this place, but not in that place --
Lemon: [interrupting] I understand that, but there's always context, Mr. Patel . . . this is an extraordinary circumstance. You understand that this is very heated. Many people lost their loved ones on 9/11 --
Patel: Including Muslim Americans who lost their loved ones. . . .
Lemon: Consider the context here. That's what I'm talking about.
Patel: I have to tell you that this seems a little like telling black people 50 years ago: you can sit anywhere on the bus you like - just not in the front.
Lemon: I think that's apples and oranges - I don't think that black people were behind a Terrorist plot to kill people and drive planes into a building. That's a completely different circumstance.
Patel: And American Muslims were not behind the terrorist plot either.
He is an admirable person , one who has been chosen to represent the United States government's policies regarding tolerance and moderation.Sam wrote:Well folks, wasn't going to comment, but after reading and listening, decided to ask the questions, "does anyone know anything about the folks or person, and the funding behind this mosque? I am curious.
This is a ridiculous question because it asks what we would do if a foreign power took an action to build a memorial on American soil.I believe in religious freedoms, but also believe in being sensitive to other's feelings etc. How about a Japanese memorial at Pearl Harbor, wonder how others would feel about that?
Again, these seem pointless questions. All persons in the United States are subject to the laws of the United States. All persons, of all religious persuasions, may propose changes to law under our Constitution's guarantee of free speech, but they are firmly and forcefully obliged to obey US law until those changes are made.Also heard something about the shariah Islamic law. Isn't that the same law the permits stoning of women among other laws that keep women down so to speak. Just wondering if this mosque would practice that kind of law?
FAREED ON AL QAEDA'S MYSTICAL ENEMY
Have you heard of Sufi Islam? Well, Al Qaeda sure has.
It is the mystical brand of Islam that embraces a more liberal interpretation of the Koran. Sufism embraces music and song. It is an interpretation that Al Qaeda views as its mortal enemy.
It is also the sect of Islam embraced by the Imam of the Islamic center near Ground Zero. Watch as Fareed takes a look at what lies behind Sufism...and why Al Qaeda's hatred of it should inform us about where Imam Rauf stands on the Islamic spectrum.
Watch HERE .
I feel as a Christian that my religion has been trampled on. To be truthful, I am afraid of how Muslims will impact on our country in regards to what we know and have grown up with. I would point out that many probably feel the same. Are we right or wrong, many would say wrong. But that is how we feel. It’s how we act on our feelings that we come to a crossroads.
Sam, I looked it up and found this:Sam wrote: But as Patrick Henry once said, “My country, right or wrong, but my country” Hopefully I got that right.
On returning home in April 1816, Stephen Decator was feted as the Conqueror of Araby. It was at one such banquet that he raised his glass and spoke the words,
"Our country! In her intercourse with foreign nations, may she always be in the right; but our country, right or wrong."
It's a warrior's toast, direct and unembellished, but it has a lot to say to any citizen but there's that qualifying phrase — 'may she always be in the right', that succeeds in taking any sting out of the concluding words. In truth, there's nothing at all of belligerence in this quotation. Nothing of war, or jingoism, or national superiority. It's a statement about ideals, about what our country should be, and what we have to do to make her so.
A few years earlier, Edmund Burke had written, 'To make us love our country, our country ought to be lovely.' That's exactly what Decatur, in the way of a sailor, was also saying.
Sam, I do not understand. In America, of all places in the world, why do you feel that religion is trampled here? I cannot think of any place on the planet where religion is less trampled on! Indeed, it is those who do not wear the mantle of religiosity who seem, to me, to get trampled. Can you imagine a governor or president getting elected anywhere in the country if he should admit he is not religious? The vast majority of Americans are Christian and the trampling is usually of non-Christians, as is the case now in New York City. The tax laws give all sorts of preferences and deductions to religion. Freedom of religion is in our Constitution and any law attacking it would quickly be struck down. Of course there are hateful individual people everywhere, and that is hardly an American phenomenon.Sam wrote:I feel as a Christian that my religion has been trampled on.
You are free to quake in your boots over anything you like. Enjoy your fears, with my blessing. But in America, we do not empower government to act against one religion harshly just because someone is afraid. It's unconstitutional, it's illegal, and it's unwise.Sam wrote: To be truthful, I am afraid of how Muslims will impact on our country...
Yes, he said something to that effect, which doesn't sound like a very favorable thing to say about the United States. Now, my question to you: is his statement true or false? Please consider the actual facts, the numbers of people killed by airplanes on 9/11, by US sanctions against Iraq, in both Iraq and Afghanistan wars, by both Americans and Al Qaida. Let's find the truth here. What is it?Iman Rauf ... mentioned that America has more Muslim blood on its hands than Al Qaida.
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