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Re: BANG !

Postby Uji » 2013 May 06 13:38

Come on, folks. Unless we're all get our own thread and just talk to ourselves, we gotta figure out how to do this without calling names. At least.

We feel like we are just saying the same thing over and over. I get it. But that's life in the free marketplace of ideas. Nobody is obligated to listen nor to take anybody else seriously nor to even be pleasant. But it would be better if we did all these things.

Until then, could we at least play nicely? Otherwise, I'll have to stop the car ... :naughty:

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Re: BANG !

Postby freezepop » 2013 May 06 14:25

Thanks.

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Re: BANG !

Postby Wise One » 2013 May 06 22:08

Uji, you are a breath of fresh air.

You are the pine-shaped scented dongle I want always hanging on my rear-view mirror, lest a cruxmonster's foul breath intrude!
"If your only tool is a hammer, every problem looks like Donald Trump."

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Bottom Line

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Re: BANG !

Postby Wise One » 2013 May 08 09:51

Thanks for that, Benjy.
But don't be so parsimonious.
Write longer postings.
We love trudging through screen after screen of your stream-of-consciousness dribblings.
"If your only tool is a hammer, every problem looks like Donald Trump."

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It is all connected.

Postby freezepop » 2013 May 08 10:29

Each of us observe, live, and learn. We maintain a narrative to describe reality. There are many connections to be seen.
Too often, blind bigots fall back upon themselves. Take any issue. Here, on about the biggest thread going, we talk guns.

"Look at those dead children!!" We all see them. It pains us. I told you that the Sandy Hook Killings HIT ME IN THE GUT.
For the first time since 9/11, I had that gut punched feeling. Sure, Benghazi has me fuming, but Sandy Hook hit me hard.

So the Democrats are making a big gun grab effort. It is the shotgun approach. Scatter-shot. All guns are bad. Gun owners are to blame. The NRA lies and is evil and other unhelpful nonsense. BLAST! BANG! KABOOM! BASH! I see it. It doesn't stop.

I have been watching crime, violent crime go down in gross terms for twenty years. I see the nuances though. Take inner city crime. Connections. Fatherless-ness. The breakdown of family and the civil society. Gun crime isn't down everywhere.

Guess what. It is a confirmation when Fangz blows it so bad. Her and coondog and wiseone are all posers. AO with his having "plinked and hunted from here to Alaska", coondog with his "6 Bar Shooter-liberal gun owner" schtick. Fangz...

When a Meth addled 35 year old Grandmother sees her 3 year old Godsend in the laundry room, and leaves them unattended with the gun in reach, accidents might happen. When a 7 year old is being allowed to shoot a hand gun, supervised, but the gun has a light trigger, and is a semi-auto, an accident can happen quickly. Buying a 5 year old a gun for Christmas is one thing. I mean, countless .22 rifles have been bought for Christmas and Birthdays over the decades.

Leaving a loaded gun around within reach of a young child is negligence.

Might we OUTLAW negligence? As a matter of fact, negligence is actually civilly and criminally enshrined in law. Meth is outlawed. Should we mandate common sense? We can do everything right. Wrap ourselves in elitist designed bubble-wrap.

My view of all this STUFF is HOLISTIC. Liberty and the Civil Right inherent in the 2nd Amendment is DEAR in the sweep of history. It is special. EVIL is about. The NRA is not EVIL. I am not EVIL. You and AO and coon are not EVIL. My goodness...

Seeking to effectively disarm good Americans IS evil.

There is always going to be 1-3% of the population that is grossly dysfunctional, bordering on negligently stupid EVIL. There are the heartless and soulless. This is the reason we have law, the court, the jail, and the RIGHT to self defense. EFFECTIVE self defense. That means PRIVATE GUN OWNERSHIP. A right to Keep and Bear. Freewill and free choice. Self determination.

Let us say it again. Freewill and free choice. Self determination. It is all connected...
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Let's go deeper. That gun is a tool. Like a chain. Like a lock. Like board. I challenge you to see connections. Good and Evil. Love and hate. We had an incredible story just yesterday. The biggest of the day. Those three women FREED from captivity and HELL in Cleveland. Amanda Berry was one. Taken. Kidnapped and imprisoned for a decade. Her 911 call?

She sounded like a sweet 16 year old.

But she was snatched off the street while walking home from work and held for 10 years a mere 3 miles away by EVIL. She was raped. All three women were a bit malnourished and dehydrated. Jocelyn. The 6 year old daughter of Amanda. Did you see the photo of this little girl in the hospital bed with her Mother's loving arm around her? Amanda's sister hugging Amanda? I saw LOVE. Joy. Relief. Reunion... I SEE love in the face of tragedy. That 6 year old is loved, and she is the child of rape. She is the innocent child of rape and EVIL. I see her though, as a child of a mother's love.

What is broken inside the heart of the well intentioned progressive democrat socialist heart. The women's liberation soul. Now I am not talking about ALL Democrats on every issue, but let us move beyond TRIBALISM, right? Democrat is not GOOD, republican BAD. Fangz, coondog, wiseone, uji, neck, juggler, trendy, buck, amy. This place is near monolithic club!

:beatdead: I am no dead horse either...

That 6 year old was not aborted. We know other children were. Those 3 brothers of evil PUNCHED and BEAT the stomachs of those 3 young women when they got pregnant, to induce abortion. Babies born alive, and killed. Jocelyn LIVED, and was born on Christmas, and is loved... It is all there to see. Tragedy will always be with us. How about you jokers actually CHAMPION COMMON SENSE. Not "common sense gun laws" in the vacuum of your mind's eye.

(Ban semiautomatic guns but not automatic abortion, all in the name of love and life) :razz: Fangz...

Go ahead, without looking it up. What are "enhanced background checks"?? :shakeh:

Wake up and learn. It is never too late. Save your personal attacks bent by bigotry unexamined. We all might see the connections if only we were willing to look. I participate here, not to talk to myself. I have said it is a real blessing at times to engage with my "political opposition". But it goes deeper. Too often some of you are my philosophical opposition. I get frustrated sure, and confused by the WAY some here think. That's ok. I am a bit Zen about it all but for GOODNESS SAKE!

Stop the HATE! It is all too many of you have. Haterz gonna hate I know but get a grip EVENTUALLY... :angel5:
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This will sound like goo to you. That is fine. I say it to challenge the open minded guest.

I challenge you to take up the cause of MLK. Champion a personal responsibility theme based on the content of character, freewill, individual rights no matter the group identity, life affirming love, and stay strong in the face of those who would CHOOSE for you. CHALLENGE yourself to understand what is going on around you. If you are clinically depressed, of flighty temperament, prone to uncontrolled anger or just plain scared of guns, you really should not own one.
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Thanks

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Re: BANG !

Postby Coondog » 2013 May 08 21:39

What? Huh?

This isn't Real Life?

Someone has been grossly misinformed......and Coondog ain't it.

What's more real? An honest expression or veiled pleasantries belying contempt?

Where else would one's true nature, emotion and personality(s) manifest themselves more precisely?

If this isn't Real Life, I might as well go back to blogging on Red State.com. Somebody must reveal that Ben Gazi was the code name for a drone strike gone awry in Lybia. Undisclosed sources confirm that this is what the Obama Administration is trying to cover up. Secretly taped conversations at the time clearly reveal the President saying, "Oops!"

On a more pertainent note, the reason Obama wants our guns is to arm the Al Qaeda elements in Syria (yes, we're back to that, again) to bring down the current Regime to placate John McCain so he will be tricked into supporting blanket amnesty and immediate citizenship for illegal gay hispanic abortion doctors who will, of course, vote for Democrats.

All this and more to come.

Coondog

Hell yes! Life couldn't be more real!

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Re: BANG !

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Re: Bottom Line

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Re: BANG !

Postby Cannoneer » 2013 May 13 20:12

Hi freezepop,

I've been reading your postings and I think you're doing fine. Please keep trying, but don't expect to change any of these liberal minds. If liberals
could reason their ideas out to their logical conclusions they would become conservatives.
I do take issue with one item. I live in California where most homes are frame and stucco. the inside walls are drywall. Because you can't tell in
advance where an intruder will be when you shoot at him you must remember that high velosity rounds may go through him and the wall or walls
behind him and any family members who may be on the other side of those walls.

I keep a loaded pistol where I can get it if I need it, but if I have to shoot an intruder inside of my house I will use a 12 gage loaded with an ounce
and a half of skeet shot in each barrel. At close range it will turn flesh to hamburger, but it will probably not be fatal after passing through two layers of drywall.

It's better to have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it.

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Re: BANG !

Postby Wise One » 2013 May 14 08:40

"If your only tool is a hammer, every problem looks like Donald Trump."

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Re: BANG !

Postby Uji » 2013 May 14 10:18

Personally, I don't find the stats useful in this discussion. Firearms kill many people each year, but so do many other things. And we can argue about the correlation between firearm ownership and firearm fatality; the data, as I understand it from browsing the web, is at best ambiguous. MotherJones has a nice, simple, page debunking many of the myths of the gun debate (). This seems to me a wonderful set of data points to start with.

For example, though they point out that the correlation between gun ownership and gun death by state is strong; I find by looking at other sites that this correlation does not hold internationally. In fact, internationally there does not seem to even be a correlation between muder-by-gun and gun ownership.

I don't think either the MotherJones correlation by state or the larger correlation by country is useful, though. The data I find the most significant is the simplest: Switzerland, for example, seems to have the same level of per capita arms as the US; yet its rate of death-by-firearm is infinitesimally small. (Canada, I think, is similar.) What this means is that, for some reason, firearms are more dangerous in the US than in Switzerland.

How can this be? (We must answer this question before we even know what the problem is.)

-- Is it that we have more deadly firearms than they have in Canada/Switzerland? (Then limiting magazine size and the like makes sense ...)
-- Do we have a gun culture that is more reckless? (Then licensing gunners like we do drivers, requiring gunners-ed course, makes sense ...)
-- If we are no more reckless and own no more lethal arms, then the issue must be social: Do we value life less? Or is it valuing life in relation to private property less ...? (The previous poster -- who thinks making "hamburger" of an intruder with his shotgun is reasonable -- comes to mind.)
-- Are guns used more often for crimes in the US than elsewhere? (Then also sorts of restrictive laws on gun registration would make sense ...)

To me, this is the issue. Why are our guns more dangerous than those in Canada?

PS, Freezepop: Accidental death by firearms has been declining, but so has death by heart disease. Does that mean we stop studying how to reduce heart attacks?

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Re: BANG !

Postby Cannoneer » 2013 May 14 10:25

wise one? wrote:
Statistically speaking, this is a false statement.
Your saying so doesn't make it a fact. Your data includes suicide as gun violence.
Responsible gun owners don't leave their guns where people other than themselves, or other responsible family members can get them.

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Re: BANG !

Postby Wise One » 2013 May 14 13:02

"If your only tool is a hammer, every problem looks like Donald Trump."

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Postby Wise One » 2013 May 14 13:16

"If your only tool is a hammer, every problem looks like Donald Trump."

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Re: BANG !

Postby Wise One » 2013 May 14 13:44

"If your only tool is a hammer, every problem looks like Donald Trump."

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Re: BANG !

Postby Wise One » 2013 May 14 14:25

"If your only tool is a hammer, every problem looks like Donald Trump."

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Meaningless my good man

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