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Re: Environmental Villains?

Postby fangz1956 » 2010 Jun 08 19:30







Hmmmm...........the corruption goes deeper than the Deepwater Horizon rig itself and wider than a Texan oil-man's spread. Congress needs to get a serious move-on and end the liability cap for oil companies. I think perhaps more needs to be done with the Office of Minerals Management than simply splitting it into 3 bureaus and doing a bit of "ethics training". How about cleaning damn house and putting folks in that office who have no ties to the Big Boys? As long as the potential for the current relationship exists between Big Oil (and Big Coal, for that matter) and Federal "regulators" (and I use that term very loosely), then we can forever look to be left holding the bag and cleaning up the mess.......while CEO's Golden Parachute back to their lives and the OMM just parties on.

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Re: Environmental Villains?

Postby Wise One » 2010 Jun 10 16:03

Some of are really good.

Enjoy.
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Re: Environmental Villains?

Postby Trend Setter » 2010 Jun 14 15:57

Do you get the feeling that BP cares only for image and not for substance?

If so, .

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Re: Environmental Villains?

Postby lexingtonrick » 2010 Jun 14 16:51

http://www.businessinsider.com/bp-has-b ... z0qrTdRDmD

"According to the Center for Public Integrity, in the last three years, BP refineries in Ohio and Texas have accounted for 97 percent of the "egregious, willful" violations handed out by OSHA"

OSHA statistics show BP ran up 760 "egregious, willful" safety violations, while Sunoco and Conoco-Phillips each had eight, Citgo had two and Exxon had one comparable citation.

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Re: Environmental Villains?

Postby Juggler » 2010 Jun 21 20:17

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Re: Environmental Villains?

Postby Trend Setter » 2010 Jun 21 21:11

I think of what happened with the Deepwater Horizon oil spill ― excellent and very complete.

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Re: Environmental Villains?

Postby Wise One » 2010 Jul 06 20:17

As bad as Tony Hayward's performance as CEO of BP has been, his predecessor was worse, far worse.

John Browne was the George W. Bush of BP, basically wrecking it. His cynical re-branding of BP as "beyond petroleum" all a-flutter with solar energy and butterflies was the worst kind of smokescreen. His real work was dismantling all environment and safety controls, anything to squeeze more fast money just before he left with pockets bulging.

on the man.

Why do we keep rewarding scoundrels and criminals with the fruits of good and honest labor by poor people?

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Re: Environmental Villains?

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Energy Policy...such as it is. Green isn't always good...

Postby Crux » 2011 Feb 03 19:20

New EPA rules governing carbon emissions/greenhouse gases and the first waiver issued goes to...

...at the same time, BO's Administration ruled in ...

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Re: Green, Green

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SHHHH....

Postby Crux » 2011 Feb 06 09:28

....I have nothing to say...

Except Giggler, that is a cute cartoon. Clever. So what do you think about Obama's Contempt of Court, shutting down our domestic off shore oil drilling, and BO's WAIVER to General Electric so they avoid the new EPA carbon emissions regulations (...name Jeffrey Immelt ring a bell?)?

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Re: Environmental Villains?

Postby Wise One » 2011 Jul 19 10:27

"If your only tool is a hammer, every problem looks like Donald Trump."

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Re: Environmental Villains?

Postby Coondog » 2011 Jul 19 11:32

Wow, Wise One

You have just made the most persuasive argument for the conservative viewpoint I believe I've seen yet.

Peak Predators! So.....that's why we need to protect the upper 2%!

Coondog :clap:

By destroying civilization, utterly, we can restore the sort of balance once enjoyed during the Stone Age. Or......were you talking about ecology? I don't think conservatives believe it exists. There's a paradox here, somewhere!

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Re: Environmental Villains?

Postby Sam » 2011 Jul 19 12:21

Enjoyed the posting and especially as it is not political. Get tired of that stuff after awhile. Having lived out West, got to say that when Yellowstone depleted the wolf population the elk about destroyed some very important vegetation. They had to re-introduce the wolves back into Yellowstone. It seems to me it's difficult in keeping a good balance between the wolf population and the ranchers who lose cattle to the wolves in the West. I have a brother who owns a small ranch in the West and he struggles with the wolf issue.

And Coondog, you seem to me to be one bitter fellow. Hey Pal, why bring in the conservative slant on this subject. While I am a conservative, you got us or at least some of us all wrong. I would tell you as I have heard my grandchildren say, Get a life.
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Re: Environmental Villains?

Postby Wise One » 2011 Jul 19 13:13

Sam, we share experiences in the American West. I too have seen first hand the long term damage that is caused by short term "improvements" to Nature, like suppressing forest fires and extirpating wolves.

about the influence of the wolf and fire on forest ecology.

There was a 50 year gap in recruitment of new aspen trees in Glacier National Park because of the Park Service's fire control program and because the wolf had been driven extinct. With the top predator gone, elk no longer feared to browse deep into aspen groves, eating all young trees as they sprouted rather than just nibbling fearfully at grove edges. Fire is also a necessary condition for the next generation of aspen tree. Glacier Park was well on its way to a sick monoculture of lodgepole pine until fire and wolf were reintroduced, restoring a healthy balance between aspen and pine and fostering a diversity of other species.

:coffee:

Ironically, I was employed in my college years by the fire control program. I took young and foolish pride in working with Smoky Bear for "good," of course coming to realize years later that we were all doing exactly the wrong thing. Later, the fire control program was essentially dismantled in the national parks, good riddance. However, inappropriately aggressive fire control practices persist even today in many forested areas.
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Re: Environmental Villains?

Postby Coondog » 2011 Jul 19 14:18

You may be right, Sam!

I was attempting to to bring a bit of levity to all the bitterness that builds up with every newscast. I have no desire to suffer the fate of Yellowstone Wolves.

Get a sense of humor! It's the only thing that keeps me from foaming at the mouth and biting ankles with reckless abandon.

Coondog :joker:

Everything is political these days.

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Re: Environmental Villains?

Postby Wise One » 2011 Jul 19 15:41

"If your only tool is a hammer, every problem looks like Donald Trump."

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On ankle biters...

Postby Crux » 2011 Jul 20 12:33

I kick ankle biters. I fear no little yappy dogs. Try to actually bite my ankle and I'll set a dog on it's tail... :nono:
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Villains come in all colors....

Postby Crux » 2011 Jul 20 12:42

...even GREEN.


But who's anyway. :geek:
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Re: Environmental Villains?

Postby Sam » 2011 Jul 21 07:15

Only in America could the people who believe in balancing the budget and sticking by the country's Constitution be thought of as
"extremists


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