A woman's right to choose, something to think about.

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A woman's right to choose, something to think about.

Postby Cannoneer » 2016 Nov 19 07:18

I will be the first to say a woman has all of the rights over her own body.

And there is no question that a fetus is a seperate life inside a pregnant woman,s body.

My questions are.

Does a pregnant woman have life and death rights over a seperate life within her body?
In all cases except rape a woman had the right to choose, sex or no sex.
If she chose sex, she had the right to choose protection or no protection.
If she chose no protection and she became pregnant, what then?
Does she have the right to end the life within her body?
Or does the life within her have the right to go on living?

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Re: A woman's right to choose, something to think about.

Postby fangz1956 » 2016 Nov 19 07:33

A fetus, at the point of which abortions are an option, is not a separate life. At this stage of development, it is not a viable being outside of the womb. it is very much a part of the woman's body. Late term abortions have been banned.

So what is it you are looking for exactly? Validation to further erode women's rights over their own bodies? When men take as much responsibility for birth control as women do or will kindly keep it zipped in their pants if they won't, then this discussion might have a shred of merit. We have seen how well that works with the recent trials of male birth control.......the poor little things couldn't stomach the side-effects that women are automatically expected to bear. Oh, but the big manly men are all over things like Viagra to get it up at the drop of a hat. Never mind those pesky side-effects like cardiac arrest, stroke, and priapism.

So, kindly take your question and tuck back under a rock where it belongs. You won't receive validation from me or any other intelligent female...nor will you receive it from a lot of intelligent males.

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Re: A woman's right to choose, something to think about.

Postby Cannoneer » 2016 Nov 19 07:38

Don't get your panties in a wad fangz, I'm only asking questions, not making judgments.

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Re: A woman's right to choose, something to think about.

Postby Cannoneer » 2016 Nov 20 09:28

fangz, your reply is partly ture,

The fetus cannot live outside of the womb without help until it is in the third trimester.

As far as it being alive, please note.
The female's egg is alive in the womb for about 28 days and the sperm is certainly alive when it is swiming toward the egg.
Sex of the fetus is determined at conception and the heart starts beating six weeks after conception. So it is alive and it is human.

Now that that has been answered, I'm still not judging those who get abortions. What other people do is none of my business. I'm only asking the origional questions that I opened this thread with.
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Postby Cannoneer » 2016 Nov 21 23:29

I did some checking,
Virginia allows abortions up to 26 weeks and there are ten states that allow them up until the moment of birth.

Please don't judge all men by the wimps you described in your post. We are not all like them.
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Re: A woman's right to choose, something to think about.

Postby Sweetness 'n Light » 2016 Nov 22 15:24

Canoner and the Cruxer are right about most things, and this is probly one of them but I been having lots of worries about this one maybe cause long long time ago I did a bad thing maybe.

It was a few years after I married my husband and we were having a bad marriage cause he kept saying I was stupid and wouldnt let me do half the stuff I wanted to do. Anyways, he had to go away for work in Ohio for about 6 months and I kind of took up with a boy who liked to stop by the house on his way home from school. He always wanted cookies. And then he got real interested in other stuff but he didnt know hardly anything but it was fun kind of teaching him and since my husband was away I didn't think it was really wrong much, huh?

Anyways, right after my husband came back home I figured out I got knocked up by that boy. I couldn't tell my husband and it was kind of a bad mess all around, huh? So when a friend told me about this place in West Virginia to get the pregnancy gone. They didn't take my drivers license away yet, so I made up a story about visit cousin and drove all the way there to have it done.

So I always felt guilty maybe some about that but kind of understand why some people need the abortions even though Trump is right about he will punish woman I guess, but it's kind of hard to figure out if it happens to you, huh?

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Re: A woman's right to choose, something to think about.

Postby Cannoneer » 2016 Nov 22 19:08

sweetness,n light,
You have nothing to be ashamed of and anything you may or not have done is nobody's business but yours.

I put this on the forum just to get everyone's opinion of my questions. Nothing more.

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Re: A woman's right to choose, something to think about.

Postby Coondog » 2016 Dec 22 18:14

and the heart starts beating one day after conception. So it is alive and it is human.
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One day after conception, the fertilized egg is still a single celled zygote. Cell differentiation hasn't even begun. No heartbeat, no heart, just goo.

So, whatever it is, it's not alive and it's not human. It might be, someday, and it might not.

In truth, there may be something magical about humans that makes them so much more special than the rest of nature, but humans have not exhibited superiority in oh so many categories, least of all in the process of reproduction. Birds do it. Bees do it. They can fly. We can't.

So, let us not pretend that a tiny speck of goo has any particular hierarchical importance, legislative or otherwise, until we can prove we care what happens to it nine months later.

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Re: A woman's right to choose, something to think about.

Postby Cannoneer » 2016 Dec 22 22:19

I correccted my error coondog. The heart beat starts arround six weeks,
But at conception it is not goo. As soon as thee egg is fertilized it becomes two cells which continue to multiply rapidly.
And it is certainly alive and it is human.
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Re: A woman's right to choose, something to think about.

Postby Wise One » 2016 Dec 23 10:02

Nope, One cell.

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Postby Cannoneer » 2016 Dec 23 10:22

Look it up arrogant one, I did. Maybe you'll learn something.

Right after conception the one cell becomes two then the two become four, ect.

Your attitude seems to be, "I"m Wise One and I'm smarter that everybody else"

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Postby Wise One » 2016 Dec 23 11:52

Nope.
One is not "smarter than everybody else" just because he knows that a newly fertilized human ovum is still a single cell.
And of course cell division and cell differentiation later commence. Duh.

Acknowledging a fact is not arrogance.

Having a fact, and denying its existence to defend a "belief", is arrogance. Of the worst kind.

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Re: A woman's right to choose, something to think about.

Postby Cannoneer » 2016 Dec 23 13:22

If you check, which it is obivous that you haven't, you will discover that the cell division starts immediately after fertilization.

Oh, I forgot, you know more than the doctors who wrote the inormation on the subject.

Gee WO you are so smart.

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Postby Wise One » 2016 Dec 23 16:16

Here are some details I learned by looking them up and reading:
After approximately 30 hours from the time of fertilization, fusion of the pronuclei and immediate mitotic division produce two 2n diploid daughter cells called blastomeres. The ovum remains in the fallopian tube for about 72 hours, during which time there are several cellular divisions.
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Postby Cannoneer » 2016 Dec 23 17:47

I stand corrected, the cell does not start to divide immediately. :surrend:

Both the sperm and the egg are alive and human before fertilization, and the cell is alive and human which is the whole point of

my reply to coondog. And this has little to do with my original questions.

It is not goo and if it preforms it's job of attaching to the womb it remains alive and human.