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Old Political Paradigms Are Changing

Postby 1Centrist » 2015 Mar 15 09:37

The AFL-CIO’s bold announcement that it would withhold contributions to congressional Democrats in advance of votes on fast-track trade protection authority thrilled labor supporters and annoyed many Democrats.

From POLITICO: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/does-labor-have-the-oomph-to-halt-fast-track-116071.html#ixzz3UScV1xT6


The real difference between Republican and Democratic politicians isn't all that great on subjects that really matter, i.e., those that have to do with economics. The only real differences are in tactics and messaging.

Republicans/Democrats :beer: Corporations/Plutocrats

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Re: Old Political Paradigms Are Changing

Postby Crux » 2015 Mar 15 10:14

It wasn't the GOP that passed the ACA. I will say this. The problem is PROGRESSIVES in both parties. You will be wise to recognize this and also that the Democrat Party in that regard is the bigger progressive party. The tendency towards a managed, fascistic construct is STRONG.

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Re: Old Political Paradigms Are Changing

Postby 1Centrist » 2015 Mar 15 10:36

Crux, what's the ACA got to do with trade deals? Also,
The problem is PROGRESSIVES in both parties. You will be wise to recognize this and also that the Democrat Party in that regard is the bigger progressive party.

Well what a coincidence. How about a Cruz-Warren ticket? I just watched this clip over porridge this morning:
http://www.msnbc.com/up/watch/republicans-embrace-economic-populism-413183555869

BTW, what's the MSNBC tag supposed to do?

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Postby Crux » 2015 Mar 15 11:15

Cruz is not a progressive. He's the opposite! He's an appropriate government type. Warren and Cruz are opposites on the progressive plane.

The ACA has been cited on this forum and by leftists as a plutocratic corporatist giveaway to big pharma & the big evil insurance companies.


The ACA was 100% a DEMOCRAT party construct. The GOP was frozen out and not a part of what was passed. The Democrat Senate WROTE it.
The Democrat House voted to accept the Democrat Senate bill without change, and the Democrat President signed it into law. Nuff said.

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Re: Old Political Paradigms Are Changing

Postby 1Centrist » 2015 Mar 15 15:57

Of course, Cruz isn't a progressive, but he sounded like one in the clip. These guys will say anything they think will resonate with the electorate. Really, when was the last time you heard a GOP politician talk about the subject of income inequality without calling it class warfare?

The ACA was one of the biggest giveaways to special interests in our history. What don't you get about Democrats and Republicans being basically the same when it comes to important stuff, like any policies involving big money. BTW, lobbyists wrote most of the bill.

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Postby Coondog » 2015 Mar 15 23:20

The heavy winged right, as we can readily see, has the ACA stuck in their craw. This will undoubtedly remain so for generations to come......much like medicare.

It is evident that they were consumed so with the idea of death panels, they failed to watch while republicans insisted on provision after provision which they then voted against anyway.

Why was there no public option? Because, as is obvious, the insurance company grifters needed placation. But, more importantly, this happened at the beginning of the Obama Presidency. At that time, there was no precedent for the extraordinary and uncompromising position held by the party soon to become known as NO!

Who would have believed they would have sunk so low as to place the safety, security, economy and welfare of the country second to the hate and spite they held for a president from the very first day he took office?

The fallacy....the blatant lie that republicans were not involved in development of the ACA is a convenient, but disingenuous one. It's likely one of the reasons why the ACA is as imperfect as it is.

The other important thing is that it was passed. Something that republicans will never do. The fact that it was passed with no republican votes seems to be something that, like an overgrown kidney stone, won't pass.

Are strict party line votes only illegitimate when democrats win them? Of late, they don't seem all that unprecedented.

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Re: Old Political Paradigms Are Changing

Postby 1Centrist » 2015 Mar 16 09:50

Much of what you say is true, Coondog; the dynamics of our system have changed, primarily for crass political reasons associated with the GOP needing to leverage the worst elements of its disgruntled base after its trouncing in 2008. The ground was fertile — a massive socialist giveaway to the underserving by "a n***** with a badge" (Reggie Hammond, 48 Hours). It's also being hoisted by its own gerrymandering petard, which sacrificed long-run relevancy for short-run security. But they can't hold back the demographic and economic tides, so I'm optimistic the smart political heads in the party will prevail. Really, did anyone ever expect someone like Cruz to jump on the income inequality bandwagon?

One of the most ironic things about the way the GOP attacked the ACA was it's very ill-advised terming of it as "Obamacare." I would guess most of our well informed electorate couldn't name the presidents responsible for Social Security, Medicare, and other landmark pieces of legislation, but future generations will never forget who was responsible for the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, it was that black guy in the White House. :clap:


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Re: Old Political Paradigms Are Changing

Postby 1Centrist » 2015 Mar 16 11:50

:laughing: I, too, like Borowitz's stuff.

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Re: Old Political Paradigms Are Changing

Postby Juggler » 2015 Mar 23 15:38

Then here's some more good news.

It would appear that, at long last, bipartisanship has come to the United States Congress on an issue of national concern.

Late news note: Nearly seven people in Lynchburg and one in Rockbridge County are unhappy over this development.

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Postby Coondog » 2015 Mar 23 16:20

Senate Majority Leader Reid? Where did you find this, in a magazine at the doctor's office?

Ted is alive and vocal and firing up the abstinence crowd at Liberty U. (Liberty! It's right there in the name!)

Efforts are currently underway in GOP circles to close nominations and anoint our favorite Cuban born miscreant to be the official anti-Hillary.

Now, THAT undoubtedly has bipartisan approval!

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Re: Old Political Paradigms Are Changing

Postby 1Centrist » 2015 Mar 24 09:38



We need to retire these dinosaurs before I cash out!

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Re: Old Political Paradigms Are Changing

Postby Juggler » 2015 Mar 24 11:34

I was there that day. Crazy, and wonderful.
We could not get anywhere close to the main stage.
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Re: Old Political Paradigms Are Changing

Postby 1Centrist » 2015 Mar 24 14:53

Love your pic. Looks like you were in front of the Smithsonian; we were on the other side of the Mall not too far from the stage. It was a fun day all round, and Stewart and Colbert kept it lighthearted.

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Re: Old Political Paradigms Are Changing

Postby 1Centrist » 2015 Mar 25 22:56

This looks promising. Hip hip hooray!
Obama says he's ready to sign Medicare doctor payment fix
The House is expected to vote Thursday on a bill with rare support from both top leaders in the House that would permanently fix the problem. Obama backed the idea of a fix at a White House event marking this week's five-year anniversary of his signing the Affordable Care Act ....
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/obama-health-care-payments-quality-not-quantity-100046600--politics.html


Perhaps the left and right fringes are beginning to be marginalized, despite what's likely to be the rhetoric in a blistering primary season. In the long-run, this is the kind of thing the Republicans and Democrats will wind up doing to fix Obamacare.
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Re: Old Political Paradigms Are Changing

Postby 1Centrist » 2015 Mar 27 09:40

A good overview of why many, including myself, are no longer Republicans.
Forty or 50 years ago, the very thought of Dwight Eisenhower or Richard Nixon being too liberal for the Republican Party would have been hard to fathom. But what was considered conservative in the GOP of the 1950s, ’60s or ’70s would be considered centrist or moderate today.
http://www.salon.com/2015/03/27/fox_news_would_have_hated_ronald_reagan_these_conservative_icons_would_be_rinos_to_the_party_of_ted_cruz_and_tom_cotton/

I campaigned for Rockefeller in '68. I've pretty much stood still while both parties have shifted to the right. And don't you love it when Republicans say, "but, but ... we're the party of Lincoln"!
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Re: Old Political Paradigms Are Changing

Postby Wise One » 2015 Mar 27 10:57

1Centrist wrote: I've pretty much stood still while both parties have shifted to the right. And don't you love it when Republicans say, "but, but ... we're the party of Lincoln"!
Yes!

Today's Republican party is essentially identical to the Dixiecrat party just prior to Johnson's announcing support of the Civil Rights Act. Every southern bigot-racist changed from D to R, and it's been downhill ever since.

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Re: Old Political Paradigms Are Changing

Postby 1Centrist » 2015 Mar 27 16:35

WO, as a wise woman once said, "you betcha"! :craz:

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Re: Old Political Paradigms Are Changing

Postby 1Centrist » 2015 Apr 14 09:15

It looks like socialism on a small scale can work, and right here in a very red state. My guess is, though, the locals don't think it's socialism, like Tea Partiers saying "keep government hands off my Medicare."

In agriculture and finance, North Dakota, more than any other state, has proven itself to be a living example of how public ownership benefits far more and is more profitable than other privately-owned entities in those industries. All concerned Americans scratching their heads on how to fight back against Wall Street need only look to North Dakota’s embrace of socialism for a solution.
http://www.nationofchange.org/2015/04/13/one-of-americas-reddest-states-embraced-socialism-to-fight-robber-barons-and-bankers-heres-why-they-arent-looking-back/

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