Uncivil War

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Uncivil War

Postby Coondog » 2014 Dec 18 14:05

A little store in South Bend, Indiana sold 2,000 tee shirts over night and people are lining up in front to buy more.

The slogan: "Breathe Easy (official looking police badge) Don't Break the Law"

This is endemic of the counter movement to the "I can't breathe" protest over excessive use of lethal force by police. Might one assume that those who are buying these tee shirts faster than the ink can dry are in support of excessive lethal force by police?

The implication here is that if you don't commit a misdemeanor, you don't have to worry about being killed by overzealous police officers. Not only does this miss the point, entirely, but ignores the fact that many of the people recently wounded or killed broke no law.

The point, here, is not to argue the merits or intricacies of any specific incident, but to address the pavlovian reaction of the people in this country to virtually every event that transpires, no matter how innocuous, monumental or incomprehensible.

Collective rejection is the refuge of those who lack the capacity for reasoning but sense the necessity to respond to something they don't (or can't) understand.

Tee shirt sales escalate along with racial tension, mindless backlash, division and stupidity on all sides. "I can't breathe" is a cry for recognition of tragic circumstances that we, as a society, need to address. "Breathe Easy....." is nothing more than an renunciation of the legitimacy of such concerns, counterproductive intimidation (fanning the flames) and a testimony to the douchiness of the American psyche.

We can look at ideological differences that have kept the Middle East in perpetual conflict for centuries and wonder, what's wrong with those people?

We can look at ourselves .............at the spitefulness and pettiness of our emotional investments and wonder, what's wrong with us?

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PC Tee

Postby Crux » 2014 Dec 19 11:26

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Coondog wrote:We can look at ourselves .............at the spitefulness and pettiness of our emotional investments and wonder, what's wrong with us?


You call for a level of introspection you seem incapable of actualizing... Heck coondog you have to actually TRY... :dontknow:

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Actualizing?

Postby Coondog » 2014 Dec 19 12:52

That's a prime example of what we're talking about!

Not only does it exemplify the kind of mindless contention prevalent within the public consciousness, but, (and we don't know exactly what motivation this fool has for expressing that sentiment) it does have the potentiality to draw attention from the very people who might violently take offense. :police:

He's probably harmless, but, then again........... :gun2: :tongue3:

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Two groups of people wearing diametrically opposed tee shirts is a poor recipe for intelligent dialog......particularly when one group is clad solely to intimidate the other.

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R.I.P.

Postby Crux » 2014 Dec 21 09:14

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uOwjWHjSIE

Powerful speach by Pat Lynch, Head of the Police Benevolence Society of NYC, regarding the assassination or Officers Liu and Ramos.

The blood of these officers was spilled and inspired by the activist Left. Sharpton, DeBlasio, Obama, Holder and others.
These two officers were not WHITE RACIST COPS. A black THUG killed a Hispanic Officer and Chinese Officer as they sat
in their patrol car. He stood over his bloody work for a time til admiring his work. The LIES and crap about Mike Brown...

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Re: Uncivil War

Postby Wise One » 2014 Dec 21 10:17

This "speech" is total bullshit. I am disgusted.

He (like Crux) blames the assassination of 2 policemen on persons only calling for good and compassionate policing, in service to and for the protection of the citizenry.

He is quite ridiculous, and himself a promoter of evil.

The causes, and correct targets for anger, are:
  1. The shooter, Ismaaiyl Abdullah Brinsley, a criminal thug with a long record who also shot his girlfriend just before the double assassination.
  2. The NRA and other gun nuts who have been successful in putting guns everywhere, endangering police and making it possible for any unstable person and thug to get a gun.
  3. Persons who resist returning an ethic to police departments across the land, that their mission is to protect and serve CITIZENS, all of them. Bad behavior, and its evil defense, foments more anger and evil like this irrational and unspeakably cruel assassination.
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We all agree...

Postby Crux » 2014 Dec 21 11:27

...as clown said in his first post on this thread: "Collective rejection is the refuge of those who lack the capacity for reasoning but sense the necessity to respond to something they don't (or can't) understand."

You demonstrate this when you say above, "Persons (resist) returning an ethic to police departments across the land, that their mission is to protect and serve CITIZENS, all of them." Who the heck is resisting this ethic? Not really anyone. There is lots of agitation though. Your criticism is overblown, and shallowly demeaning to the magnitude of who police are and what police do.


coondog himself thinks there is some evenly matched tee shirt battle between unhelpful factions. F*** the police is nothing new or benign.

Let's not hold politicians and governance blameless either, as in the death of Eric Garner. The excessively high tax on cigarettes and the black market it opens up to sell loosies and the compunction to shut that down played a roll. We all want the ethic of positive policing for the citizenry. You sound like it doesn't exist, and that in and of itself is a contributing factor to the atmosphere of hate and mistrust. Your buddy Sharpton was calling for "dead cops/now" and he got his wish. Obama has not helped the situation of community police relations. Holder and Justice and the Obama White house sending three representatives to the funeral of Mike (thug) Brown didn't HELP. The diminution of police as a go to position does not help. Failing to hold Brown to the same standard as you do the shooter of these two innocent cops doesn't help and it is disingenuous coming from you.

Since when do you want to hold the criminal responsible??? :hum:
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Truth THRUMS.... Here is Paul Harvey, who's own father died when Paul was three, in the line of duty as a Cop.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUUZ2fKVqcs

Just TWO short minutes but it well describes the truth of who cops are, and the bind they are in.

AO, you are a lucky and blessed man. A father, and a husband to a beautiful wife. You have had and do have a good life. I do not know why you are so mean-spirited and [i]unable to address your hate. You would be a poor politician because of it! You would have to present such a false front... You have the arrogance and conceit to be a bad one though. Neither the right nor left nor The People deserve leadership that is boastfully pride-filled or mean spirited at the core. You are an old dog now, and life is short. Heal thyself and don't worry, I have my challenges of course, but try to remember those words of Paul Harvey as you flow towards your SWEEPING GENERALIZATIONS.

Merry Christmas to you and yours and may the New Year be blessed for you all...

Peace.

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Re: Uncivil War

Postby Neck-aint-red » 2014 Dec 21 18:06

Crux and Pat Lynch dig themselves deeper and deeper into illogic. Most of what they allege others have said or want is plainly wrong.

They have every right to speak their own minds but really, they should stop speaking for those they regard as enemies. They can speak for themselves, and considerably more accurately.

Here is a more accurate and reasonable statement, well worth the reading.

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oh boy...you should try harder

Postby Crux » 2014 Dec 21 22:47

It is disingenuous I think. In the first paragraph the author suggests we do not know the motive. He cites the ONLY positive sentence in the post Ferguson GJ speech. He glosses over the bombastic rhetoric of Sharpton and DeBlasio. He glosses over the way Obama and Holder have interjected themselves into minor and major crimes that involve a black "victim" and a white "oppressor". Come on Neck, I, and the PBA (UNION) boss fully embrace the sober call for proper policing but get honest about the propaganda over the last month and the RACIAL GRIEVANCE PARTY LINE!

I have not heard Obama say once that black young men should stop picking up guns and killing other people.

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Re: Uncivil War

Postby Coondog » 2014 Dec 23 11:25

I have not heard Obama say once that black young men should stop picking up guns and killing other people.


If he did, we can only imagine the immediate right wing backlash; "Obama doesn't care about white people."

And, therein lies the shameful truth of it.

Young people, old people an every other kind of people of all colors should stop picking up guns and killing other people.

What's so hard about that? Perspective!

One cannot expect those with entrenched perspectives to understand that nationwide protests address a trend. One incident does not constitute a trend. When it reoccurs over and over again......it's a trend. We might hope that mindless revenge against innocent police officers does not become a trend, because if it does, we're all in a heap of trouble.

People of all sorts need to be held accountable, particularly when they are individually responsible for taking a life.

We don't want dead cops. We want accountable cops! Otherwise, we're all in a heap of trouble.

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Re: Uncivil War

Postby Trend Setter » 2014 Dec 23 16:00

I see all over the right wing screamer press that a demonstration called for "kill a cop."

Of course it's a lie. Nobody did any such thing. A Maryland Fox TV outlet misquoted the actual words of the demonstrators.

Conservative have nothing on their side but lies. When hatred is your only tool, what else you gonna do?

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Re: Uncivil War

Postby Coondog » 2014 Dec 26 11:23

Wierdness appears to have gone home for the holidays. We can only hope it stays that way while Obama's failed economy continues to thrive.

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Re: Uncivil War

Postby Juggler » 2014 Dec 28 21:47

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Re: Uncivil War

Postby Wise One » 2014 Dec 28 22:16

Wow, did he ever hit that nail on its head!

BTW, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (then Lew Alcindor) and I were at UCLA at the same time. I remember riding in an elevator with him. I'm pretty tall, but felt like an absolute midget standing next to him as he bent over to avoid hitting his head on the elevator ceiling!

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Re: Uncivil War

Postby Coondog » 2014 Dec 30 12:09

Wouldn't surprise us if Wise One once shared a roller coaster ride with William Jennings Bryant....... or Snooki.

The relative silence here in the box these days, which should come as a welcome relief, leaves a strange vacuum which requires medicinal tuning in to Fox News. Nowhere else are the words Ronald Reagan, Benghazi, IRS scandal, Fast & Furious or Golf Playing Emperor found with such frequency, or at all. How else is one to stimulate one's heart rate in the absence of the resident right wing rabble rouser?

crux has been missing from the malt shop of late, which, like Obama's missing birth certificate, is deeply troubling. Speculations arise. North Korean hackers may be in play, here. Or, crux got into some of those THC infused edibles again and is home listening to Pat Boone albums while demanding more fruit cake and egg nog.

Less likely, he was on flight 8501 and is now stranded on a tiny isle in the middle of the Java Sea.

It is enlightening to know that rehashed conservative ravings from crux IS preferable to being subjected to Fox contributors like Louie Gohmert. Enlightening. Depressing. May crux survive the Christmas Holidays (of Tet, whichever he observes) so we can turn off this stupid...........

Aaaaaaargh! It's friggin' John Bolton! Blood pressure skyrocketing! Turn it off! Turn it off!

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"What do we want? DEAD COPS! When do we want them? NOW!"

Postby Crux » 2015 Jan 03 18:01

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dj4ARsxrZh8
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Trend Setter wrote:I see all over the right wing screamer press that a demonstration called for "kill a cop."

Of course it's a lie. Nobody did any such thing. A Maryland Fox TV outlet misquoted the actual words of the demonstrators.

Conservative have nothing on their side but lies. When hatred is your only tool, what else you gonna do?

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Trendy wrong again... :pat: This was know December 13. I posted on it here Dec. 21 on the Bang thread. :tiphat:

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Re: Uncivil War

Postby Coondog » 2015 Jan 04 01:47

Crux is, apparently, correct according to sources deemed to be legitimate. And the footage of the few documented morons engaging in this unseemly conduct in New York apparently wasn't faked by some Fox News affiliate this time.

It reflects poorly on those who were chanting it, but that has nothing to do with the legitimacy of the protests, themselves.

Ordinary people have a right to express themselves, no matter how stupid they are. Police who are being paid to do a job who wish to protest by turning their backs or refusing to perform their sworn duties do not possess that right. They want to act childish, they can do it on their own time.

Coondog :thumdwn:

......... is not black, nor the mayor of New York, but has had the same conversation with the pups about the police as De Blasio.......and ain't apologizing to nobody for it.

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Dishonest commentary will get you no where.

Postby Crux » 2015 Jan 04 09:30

Coondog wrote:Crux is, apparently, correct... And the footage of the few documented morons... in New York...


A few? To me a couple is two, a few is 3, 4, 5 and maybe 6. Several is like 6, 7, 8, 9 maybe 10 or 11 and then we get into a dozen, a score, etc.
The SCORES of protestors estimated more accurately at perhaps 100 are by NO MEANS A FEW. TRUTH and HONEST commentary matter to me.

The advice I have given my kids regarding the police is to be polite, use Sir and Mam, and be courteous.
If you are pulled over stay in your vehicle, keep your hands visible or on the steering wheel. :dontknow:

See there is lots of other good advice too like don't start fights, don't steal or generally break the law,
and don't drive more than A FEW miles per hour over the speed limit. Words matter as does the truth.

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Re: Uncivil War

Postby Wise One » 2015 Jan 05 10:14

Yes, there is a real problem with NYC cops (and some cops nationwide.)

Some bad apples in the Big Apple careen around the streets behaving like low-grade thugs. They are brutish schoolyard bullies with no clue as to what their mission is regarding protection of and service to the entire community that hired them.

This culture, only revealed and accentuated by "turn your back on the Mayor" spoiled brat behavior, needs a wooden stake through its heart.

The full video, police thuggery at the end.



Or go direct to the thuggery.


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Re: Uncivil War

Postby Coondog » 2015 Jan 05 12:34

Yep! There are SCORES of rotten cops across the nation within a larger population of decent officers, just as there are SCORES of over the top, repulsive, hate mongers among the larger population of those who protest the actions of rotten cops.

When we're talking about hundreds of thousands of people.....yes, SCORES represent only a few.

The killing of two innocent, and apparently decent, police officers is no less repugnant than the killing of a 12 year old or a misdemeanor suspect. Both offend the sensibilities of decent people everywhere.

But, the actions of an individual with questionable mental capacity and criminal tendencies is far different from the actions of an individual or group of individuals charged with defending the public as a public service. The backlash from the organized police community against criticism of it's worst members by large members of the public is not reciprocal to organized protests in general. There is no organized affront to police by lone wolf, disturbed criminals.

And, therein lies the difference.

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Interesting read for perspective and context.

Postby Crux » 2015 Jan 05 17:38

"I have been to too many Inspector's Funerals since joining the NYPD in 1982. It is now 33 years later and there has NEVER in my time been any sort of demonstration or display at one of these functions.

Why now?

Because the leader of the City of New York has publicly stated that the NYPD is a racist organization. It's not true, but with the stamp of approval of the Mayor of the city the allegation becomes De Facto accurate. Wilhelm's whole campaign was based upon the allegation the the NYPD was out of control and had to be brought to heel. The first thing he did was to gut the Stop, Question and Frisk program, which was not, contrary to media statements, unconstitutional.

He has stated that he has warned his bi-racial son to be careful of the NYPD and to be afraid of them. He has aligned himself with a radical anti-cop segment of the political scene and made no bones about it.

He ordered the non-interference with the "protesters" after the Garner/Brown Grand Jury results. This atmosphere of disrespect, distrust and bashing of the NYPD fostered and empowered the multiple attacks which have taken place in the last tow months against our officers.

It was this climate of hatred and disrespect that DIRECTLY caused the execution of these two young officers in the street. This is not some protest put forth by the PBA or any other entity.

This is a genuine and spontaneous response to the socialist mayor who has fostered this environment and who must take responsibility for the results of his actions. It is a movement of solidarity to show that we will not accept this man as a leader. We will not yield to his racist and socialist views.

We are the NYPD. We were here protecting this city long before this vermin took office.

We will be here long after he is gone.

He has blood on his hands.

Now let him reap what he has sown. He will not support us; so be it. He wants hands off policing in the black community? HE'S GOT IT.

Now let's sit back and watch what happens when he gets the type of policing he has been demanding in the media.

Bill "Wilhelm" DeBlasio; BRINGING THE 197O'S BACK TO NYC!!!!! "
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There are 35,000 cops in the NYPD and there is GREAT ethnic diversity, yet great unanimity in these silent protestations of the Mayor.