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Islam, The Middle East, et. al.

Postby Crux » 2014 Jan 12 19:08

23% of the world population is Muslim.

This thread is dedicated to ALL things "Islamic", but especially to CONFLICT.

Many of us want peace, love and understanding. In America the Mainstream Culture that I value most is "live and let live". This is not always possible...

For example our Nation has been pulled into conflict and war with militant Islam ever since the very foundation of our Navy. Current events and this Forum inspire me. Firstly, the hottest movie and the second biggest big screen opener ever is "Lone Survivor", the true story of Operation Redwing, as told by Marcus Lutrell, U.S. Navy Seal, who many of us saw a few years ago at VMI.

Secondly I am inspired by coondog's support of Obama's unilateral lifting of sanctions against Iran and the potential for that "terrorist nation" to pursue the BOMB, and use it against Israel or the U.S. Thirdly my own Little Brother's post about Biden's criticism of the spending on two wars, during the last Presidential debate...

Fourthly the news story that reports one in ten babies born in France are Muslim, Europe and the multicultural influx of Islamic Immigrants and how that will continue to shape a Continent. The issues are THICK, and we do not have a dedicated thread to this topic. Fifthly the "Arab Spring" and all its attendant issues...

I make no pronouncement other than: THIS is the place to vent and OPINE.

Good Luck and may Allah and His Followers bid you Peace... OK, I will make one: My Little Brother got smacked down by Kevsky, Biden is a HACK, Obama is in over his head, Sadaam DID have WMD, Iran is not to be trusted, and the Left is unable to honestly deal with ALL things ISLAM.

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Postby Cannoneer » 2014 Jan 14 08:39

Excellent atrical Kevsky.
As you read it if you substitute The United States for France you can see that what's happening to France is also happening to our country.
In fact due to the fragmention of cultures going on in the U.S. our national motto should be changed from "E Pluribus Unim" to "E Pluribus Pluribus"
And crux, this is a good subject. Looking at the actions of our current administration is seems we are begining to follow the policies toward Israel of the British in the late Forties.

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K, thanks for posting this...

Postby Crux » 2014 Jan 15 08:22

Alain Finkielkraut 64, was born in Paris, the son of a Jewish man of Polish origin -- a dealer of fine leather goods who survived Auschwitz. Today he is widely seen as a leading voice among French conservatives, as a critic of the modern age and a defender of the ideals of the French Republic. He teaches philosophy at the Ecole Polytechnique in Paris.
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SPIEGEL: Aren't many immigrants excluded from mainstream society primarily for economic reasons?

Finkielkraut: The left wanted to resolve the problem of immigration as a social issue, and proclaimed that the riots in the suburbs were a kind of class struggle. We were told that these youths were protesting against unemployment, inequality and the impossibility of social advancement. In reality we saw an eruption of hostility toward French society. Social inequality does not explain the anti-Semitism, nor the misogyny in the suburbs, nor the insult "filthy French." The left does not want to accept that there is a clash of civilizations.
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Postby Cannoneer » 2014 Jan 15 12:50

Our Administration is once again trying to bring a solution to the Israel vs Arab problem.
The term Palstinian is an invention of people who hate Jews. Just like the term "West Bank" is an invention.
Read the history of the area beginingm about 1900 to the present time.
Every time what are refered to as "Peace Talks" are really just an attempt to get Israel to give up something big in return for nearly nothing in return.
As of now, most of Europe and the State of Michigan are feeling the problems caused by Muslims when they become a majority.

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Postby Coondog » 2014 Jan 15 14:38

Read the history of the area beginingm about 1900 to the present time.

Took your advice and read up on the history of Palestine. Goes back a lot farther than 1900. Like the beginning of recorded history.

As with all names, Palestine was made up.....by somebody. "The first clear use of the term Palestine to refer to the entire area between Phoenicia and Egypt was in 5th century BC Ancient Greece."

Source: Wikipedia

It is believed to be derived from the term Peleset (transliterated from hieroglyphs as P-r-s-t) which is thought to mean: People who hold a grudge for a very long time.

Source: Coondog's Annotated History of the World, Part I

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Postby Cannoneer » 2014 Jan 15 18:59

That's true coondog the name goes all the way back to when Rome put a name on the place. but the arabs in Israel and the rest of the middle east are not Phoenicians. They are Arabs.
After WWI The Brits were in charge of the whole area of what was the Ottoman Empire. What was called Palestine at that time included Jordan.
The Arabs wanted an Arab homeland and between the world wars England gave the Arabs in what was then called Palestine the land east of the Jordan Rived. At that time it was called Transjordan because it was across the river from what was then called Palestine. since then the name has been changed to Jordan. The remainder of the area was offered to both the Jews and the Arabs as a hommeland for the Jews and an additional homeland for the Arabs. The Jews accepted the offer but the Arabs refused on the grounds that they didn't want the Jews to have a homeland.
As soon as Partition was approved by the United Nations armies, from Egypy, Jordan, Syria and Iraq attacked the new State of Israel. Israel won.
The Arabs that didn't want to stay in Israel were not accepted in Jordan or other Arab countries so they became people without a country and were called Palestinian refugees.
But the Jews didn't do that to them the Arab countries did. The Arabs who stayed in Israel were given full citizenship with one exception. They could not join the Israeli defense force.

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Flash!! This just in!!

Postby Crux » 2014 Jan 15 19:24

It's true. The Palestinians could have had a Nation, sanctioned by the U.N. back in 1948?, something like that, but they rejected it. Under Arafat more recently, they could have had a Nation State, but their own leadership pulled the plug... Israel has gotten a very bad rap.

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coondog wrong again, and again...

Postby Crux » 2014 Jan 16 07:58

Coondog wrote:
As for the rest, a recent article in the New York Times relates information that suggests the incident, as reported by Susan Rice, actually was inspired by the infamous video.

As Hillary was so apt as to inquire, "What difference does it make?"


From yesterday Dog:

"It isn't just Republicans and fair-minded journalists who believe The New York Times relied too heavily on militants to make the claim al Qaeda had nothing to do with the murder of four Americans in Benghazi, Libya, on September 11, 2012. Democrat Senator Dianne Feinstein, the chairwoman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, is also rejecting the Times' reporting.

Speaking to The Hill newspaper, Feinstein said, "“I believe that groups loosely associated with al Qaeda were”" involved in the attack.

When asked if she believed the infamous anti-Islam YouTube video caused a protest that evolved into a riot, Feinstein said, "“It doesn’t jibe with me.”"

It is widely believed that The New York Times report was nothing more than a whitewash to protect Hillary Clinton, the former Secretary of State who is almost certain to run for president in 2016.
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I guess you missed the release of the Dem Senate Report on Benghazi and the DIFFERENCE that Hillary and Obama DIDN'T make? You do not observe well...

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Postby Coondog » 2014 Jan 16 11:52

Look!

No one is claiming that security in Libya was a shining success. The latest in a long string of inquiries and investigations concludes that security was inadequate. Surely, in hindsight, an infantry regiment surrounding the building would have been preferable.

That would hold true for the scores of other foreign missions simultaneously experiencing tumult outside their front gates.

If someone must be blamed, then the State Department deserves it and has acknowledged as much. That would ultimately be Clinton. Unless you think Obama was one of the actual attackers, it is unclear exactly what you're insinuating regarding supposed culpability.

Speaking to The Hill newspaper, Feinstein said, "“I believe that groups loosely associated with al Qaeda were”" involved in the attack.

One might "believe" that it was a group" loosely associated" with the Girl Scouts.....but, that wouldn't change anything, would it? Or, to put it another way, "What difference does it make?"

Now, it is obvious that you and Marco Rubio and Sean Hannity among others would love to keep stirring this pot for the next two and a half years, looking for some phantom tid bit to exploit, but here's the deal:

Clinton's job performance as Secretary of State was, with one glaring exception, hugely successful. The expectation of perfection when dealing with security in a complex and hostile world is absurd and naive.

Coondog :beatdead:

Football analogy:

A quarterback who wins by throwing dozens of touchdown passes and only one interception is not defined by the 1 interception......except by those with very active imaginations. Nobody is perfect. Coondog is as close as you're going to get!


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Postby Wise One » 2014 Jan 16 11:56

You are well attuned to Reality, a concept that eludes certain members of the Forum .

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Postby Crux » 2014 Jan 16 20:06

Interesting. All that nonsense to cover for the fact that you were so quick to jump on the NYT really faulty assertion that IT WAS the video... You have bobbed and weaved. "Scores" of embassies experiencing tumult? Hyperbole? Obama was CULPABLE because he was TOLD IMMEDIATELY, that this was a terrorist attack, he failed to take interest and BE Commander in Chief, went to bed so he could jet to his fundraiser... If you are not paying attention as an Obama voter I get that. We should not expect PERFECTION, just honesty and accountability. You think?

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Postby Coondog » 2014 Jan 17 13:06

Speculation and innuendo! You don't know what Obama was told or knew or what time he went to bed. You don't know anything because there is no evidence whatsoever to back up anything you contend.....but the willingness by you and countless others to constantly reveal the fact that you don't know anything is more troubling than anything Obama might or might not have done.

But, just because your horse is dead........ :beatdead:

Coondog

Get a TV. Watch MSNBC and learn something! You don't have to subscribe to everything they say, Coondog doesn't, but exposure to something other than complete falsehood and idiocy may be an enlightening experience.

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Dang coon, will you TRY?

Postby Crux » 2014 Jan 17 13:24

Coondog wrote:Speculation and innuendo! You don't know what Obama was told or knew or what time he went to bed. You don't know anything because there is no evidence whatsoever to back up anything you contend....

Actually you should know now, because as of a few days ago much information was released detailing how the information moved to Obama. Ham, to Dempsey, then Ham and Dempsey with Panetta, and then Panetta to Obama. We have the testimony of Ham and Dempsey and Panetta detailing the knowledge that this was a Terrorist Attack. "They" knew it within 15 minutes of the attack. There was an unarmed drone on scene VERY early on. This all public information and is confirmed just within THIS week 'dog... Dude, the testimony is there. Panetta testified before Congress MONTHS ago that Obama was briefed early on, and then was not available. We know the President was not involved the rest of the night. He went on to Las Vegas for a fundraiser the next morning. This is OLD INFO 'dog.

You can say it isn't so or you can look it up. You choose...

Nearly one year ago, Obama was briefed by Dempsey and Panetta:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... /?page=all

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Israel, so small, so surrounded.

Postby Crux » 2014 Jan 29 21:07

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/01 ... ish-state/

Hard to believe, there are only 16 million Jewish People in the whole world...

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CORPSE-man...that's it right there.

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Postby Coondog » 2014 Mar 12 11:11

Ah! How soon we forget!

Your cartoon ignores the fact that the man at the podium is the same man who was telling jokes at a correspondence dinner while he was killing Osama bin Laden by proxy.

So, whenever, you see him smiling before a large audience, you can only wonder what else he has going on and who he might be after............!


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You say Benghazi......I say bin Laden!

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You lost yet another round clown...

Postby Crux » 2014 Mar 12 20:48

I follow things pretty closely and I have no idea what you are talking about. Obama was in the Situation room during the Osama raid but, as you Don't seem to get from the cartoon, he was UNAVAILABLE during the hours (7) of the unfolding Benghazi fiasco, where our Seal, depicted in the cartoon, called for help, which never came... Obama was briefed by Panetta at 5pmish if memory serves, and then he was unavailable, went to bed and left for a fundraiser in Las Vegas the next morning, as depicted in the cartoon...

coondog. You are a real LOSER. Point crux...

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No cheerleader should yet remain "ignorant"...

Postby Crux » 2014 Apr 29 21:04

I don't think it ignorance so much as a lack of CRITICAL THINKING. Today, you can read in the news how the Obama administration and communication's efforts was to mislead Americans at an election time so as to protect Obama from criticism over his middle east policy and narrative. The attacks on our consulate in Benghazi were a coordinated terrorist attack on September 11th, and had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH A VIDEO. This was clear to the critical thinker IMMEDIATELY. The cheerleaders, not so much...

http://freebeacon.com/national-security ... ect-obama/

Again, my observations and analysis on this episode has been proven to be spot on.

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Postby Coondog » 2014 Apr 29 22:02

To your previous supposed point........

The operation which took out bin Laden was months in planning and hours in application. Responsible people do not send seal teams or any other kind of response team into a situation where there is limited or no intelligence regarding the actual circumstances. The script is meticulously written and when they go off script......they're likely to get killed. I give you Iraq......

There are things called books which might enlighten one as to the actualities and limitations of life in the real world rather than a fantasy world where some evil dark skinned man in a room with no corners micromanages every nuance of human interaction.

Some might attribute it to karma. Some might blame it on the devil.

Coondog calls it

S#!T HAPPENS

So....keep on beating that Benghazi horse :beatdead: Beat it til it turns to glue. Give it to all your Tea Party friends and tell 'em it's Chapstick!