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Coondog
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Re: Disorder in the Court

Postby Coondog » 2014 Jan 09 17:01

Sooooooooooo............

What you're contending, oh lizard like one, is that those liberals....those democrat types are out there suppressing the votes of their fellow left wingers in order to......what?

That assertion makes little......no, absolutely no sense.

When one considers all the laws passed that restrict voter access.....and who passed them....and who voted against them, this scenario just doesn't add up.

Are you sure those election officials are democrats.......or are they republicans in cheap clothing?

Coondog :hum:

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Re: Disorder in the Court

Postby Crux » 2014 Jan 09 18:14

Coondog wrote:Sooooooooooo............
When one considers all the laws passed that restrict voter access...


Folks in this Country, county by county have no problem VOTING. Early voting, absentee voting, late voting, getting driven to the voting, etc... My my my.

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Re: Disorder in the Court

Postby Kevsky » 2014 Jan 11 08:02

What you're contending, oh lizard like one, is that those liberals....those democrat types are out there suppressing the votes of their fellow left wingers in order to......what?


Are you sure those election officials are democrats.......or are they republicans in cheap clothing?


Coondog, I am not contending that Democrats are suppressing the vote, or Republicans for that matter. In fact, I am suggesting there is no conspiracy at all. I did not figure you to be one who gave much thought to conspiracy theories as well. I realize several of the posters here on this website love to indulge in conspiratorial fantasies that right-wing zealots are endeavoring and on the very edge of bringing about a corporate/fascist/dictatorial/reactionary takeover of the United States. No doubt, the idea that the Koch Brothers and the John Birchers are secretly funding conservative organizations in order to gain mind-control over the majority of conservative leaning Americans to make an army of mind-controlled automatons with which can than be instructed by Rush Limbaugh and Glen Beck and led by Sarah Palin and Ted Cruz to take over the United States and impose a corporatist/capitalist/christian fundamentalist rule by the one-percenters creates a little excitement from the daily doldrums for the average leftist. Looking at the comments section from one of the links posted by Fangz, I realize the left is coming very close to having it figured out.

More information is coming out every year about the role of Maj Gen Edwin A. Walker of the Dallas John Birch Society in the JFK Assassination. I think you are on to something very important here. Walker was the grandson of Fred Koch’s financial patron and sponsor Charles de Ganahl and in return Fred named his first born son Charles de Ganahl Koch. And Walker was a contributor to The American Mercury Magazine when it was published right in Wichita, KS where the Koch headquarters were located. I believe that it was Fred Koch who really owned or sponsored that magazine during that period when it was run by Rev. Gordon Winrod from Defenders of the Christian Faith in Wichita, KS. http://karws.gso.uri.edu/jfk/the_critic ... y/Man.html Here is the citation about Walker and the de Ganahl family links: “[Dr. Charles de Ganahl], whose father came to America from the Austrian Tyrolean region, remained loyal to the Confederacy after the Civil War and moved to Mexico for several years.” “The Ganahls can be traced back to the 1300s in Austria. They owned various enterprises, among them, cotton spinning and milling. Of his 10 children, Johann Ulrich Ganahl (1725-1772) had two sons — Johann and Joseph — who rose to prominence. Joseph’s descendants were those who struck out to America. In 1803, Charles Ganahl’s grandfather, Joseph Ganahl Von Zanzenberg (1754-1833), an Austrian doctor of law and town clerk, received his Patent of Nobility from Holy Roman Emperor Francis II for service during the war with Napoleon. In 1816, his son, Johann Joseph, came to Augusta, and then Savannah, Ga. for the Ganahl Mills. He opted to drop the noble title and only use Ganahl, as a sign of his democratic beliefs. He married Charlotte Elizabeth Conn of Augusta, and of their nine children, four lived past childhood — John Henry, Charles, Joseph and Frank.” One of Dr. Charles de Ganahl’s grandsons was right-wing Maj. Gen. Edwin Anderson Walker, whom Lee Harvey Oswald attempted to assassinate. (Life was rarely dull for members of the Ganahl family. By Irene Van Winkle. West Kerr Current, 2006.)


Yes, there is no doubt. The Koch brothers were implicit in the JFK assassination. Undoubtedly, soon we will discover they were responsible for Pearl Harbor, 911, the space shuttle tragedy, the Obamacare website fiasco and the reason for the cancellation of "The Chris Matthews Show" and "West Wing".

Now, back in the world of reality, could it not be plausible that the long voter lines and long wait periods in the large urban areas be attributable to the gross incompetence, ineptitude, lethargy and corruption of the election officials, be they Republican or Democrat (However, in most circumstances they will be Democrat as most large metropolitan cites have a majority Democrat electorate)? Daily, we read articles regarding the mismanagement and corruption by officials and administrators in large metropolitan cities in the administration, finance and governing of these large cities.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2012/0215/Chicago-area-called-most-corrupt-in-US.-Why-Rahm-Emanuel-is-under-fire
http://theamericanpartnership.com/2011/09/27/philadelphia-corruption-and-political-culture/
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/dcs-delinquents-top-corrupt-politicians-washington/story?id=16520422
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20130719/us-miami-bond-investors/?utm_hp_ref=green&ir=green
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/20/dade-county-bribes-_n_3469543.html

Are we to assume that somehow, in these same cities, that the administration of the elections is somehow too sacrosanct to have these same problems?

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Hobby Lobby Wins

Postby Coondog » 2014 Jun 30 12:08

The American Taliban Rules that corporations have spiritual consciousness.

Contraception coverage nixed.

Unwanted pregnancies encouraged.

Theocracy gains foothold.

Intercepted e-mail from Middle Eastern terrorist groups:

Call off the Jihad....they're just like us!

Coondog

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Re: Disorder in the Court

Postby Wise One » 2014 Jun 30 13:30

Yeah, it's pretty discouraging. The conservative cabal is pushing its rabid ideology ... not only consistently, but ever more radically.

Many, including the Press, get the issue wrong, framing it as religious freedom vs. overbearing inflexible government mandate. Obamacare's provision regarding birth control are just the reverse of this, guaranteeing both a minimum standard of health coverage, protecting individual freedoms, and affording individuals latitude over which services they can opt into.

The Constitution, to most of us and for most of history, has been the guarantor of liberty for INDIVIDUAL persons. The current conservative SCOTUS has turned that historic presumption on its head, now always choosing corporations over individuals when matters of choice and freedom are involved.

Once medical health professionals have selected list of procedures and items to be covered under minimum standards for insurance, who gets to decide which are actually chosen? Until now, it was the individual.

If you don't like blood transfusions because of your Christian Scientist beliefs, you may refuse them although covered by your employer's insurance. Some people refuse immunizations for religious reasons, even though covered by insurance. If a rattlesnake bites you during your Sunday snake-worshiping service, you have a right to refuse treatment out of religious respect for "God's will" even though your insurance covers it. Your employer couldn't say "I will not allow my employees health insurance covering rattlesnake bites."

An employer, up to now, has not been able to overrule his employees on whether may they exercise their individual freedom for such choices. Hobby Lobby reverses this. The religious beliefs of a corporation are now held to be more deserving of respect under the law than those of individuals.

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Re: Disorder in the Court

Postby Coondog » 2014 Jun 30 20:13

Ah, Wise One. You sound so serious!

What's so bad about living in a country where corporate religious dogma trumps all? There are third world countries all over the planet that defer to the will of their deity of choice. Or the deity of somebody else's choice, as it were.

Just relax and wait for it. And remember where you heard it. This precedent opens up a can of worms that will likely come back and bite the collective asses of five twisted old farts when some Islamic CEO starts using this ruling to their own advantage.

Might not be about health care. Might be about laws contravening Sharia Law, or something even more unpalatable to overstuffed fundamentalists in black robes. What's with the black robes? What are they hiding?

Might even have something to do with the newly founded Church of the Heavenly Peyote.

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Re: Disorder in the Court

Postby nudgewink » 2014 Jun 30 21:45

Andy Borowitz wrote:Sharia law is having a good week in Iraq, Syria, and the US Supreme Court.

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Re: Disorder in the Court

Postby Coondog » 2014 Jul 01 11:03

Acknowledging that some women “might argue that they, too, have some claim to being people,” Justice Alito wrote, “That is an interesting question for another day.”

Coondog has often wondered whether women were people. They are strange, if alluring, creatures, after all. Whereas the Suppurate Court might have ultimately answered that question, as Justice Alito says, its an interesting question for another day.

Coondog :laughing:

Corporations are people and women are not and half the country goes along with that claptrap. The Jihadi Tourists have already won!

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Re: Disorder in the Court

Postby Amy Probenski » 2014 Jul 01 17:44

Coondog, that question has often occurred to me also, and I are one.

Ruth Bader Ginsburg's Hobby Lobby Dissent Is Already A Song



And here's one man's opinion on the quality of the current Supreme Court.

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Re: Disorder in the Court

Postby Coondog » 2014 Jul 02 14:14

Hypocrites!
Hobby Lobby's Hypocrisy: The Company's Retirement Plan Invests in Contraception Manufacturers
When Hobby Lobby filed its case against Obamacare's contraception mandate, its retirement plan had more than $73 million invested in funds with stakes in contraception makers.

This court case is a joke!

What is not a joke is the question of what laws any and all supposedly religious factions may decide they find offensive to their hypocritical belief system and choose to flaunt for political purposes. Whereas the 5 trained monkeys on the Court have basically deconstructed the Rule of Law in favor of fundamentalist religious extremism, how soon can we expect the entire country to be bullied by the sort of people who are responsible for this:
For a decade or so, Hobby Lobby and its owners, the Green family, have been generous benefactors of a Christian ministry that until recently was run by Bill Gothard, a controversial religious leader who has long promoted a strict and authoritarian version of Christianity. Gothard, a prominent champion of Christian home-schooling, has decried the evils of dating, rock music, and Cabbage Patch dolls; claimed public education teaches children "how to commit suicide" and undermines spirituality; contended that mental illness is merely "varying degrees of irresponsibility"; and urged wives to "submit to the leadership" of their husbands. Critics of Gothard have associated him with Christian Reconstructionism, an ultra-fundamentalist movement that yearns for a theocracy, and accused him of running a cult-like organization. In March, he was pressured to resign from his ministry, the Institute in Basic Life Principles, after being accused by more than 30 women of sexual harassment and molestation—

No one in their right mind should patronize Hobby Lobby.....or continue to condone the existence of the "Roberts Court".

Coondog, for one, intends to send them a letter asking them kindly to resign. That ought to get their attention!

Coondog :typ:

Dear Injustices............

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Hysterical Children

Postby Crux » 2014 Jul 02 17:20

So called liberals.... :shakeh: Hobby Lobby provides health insurance to it's employees as a matter of course, BEFORE obamacare came along. They DO NOT WANT to provide 4 out of 20 kinds of birth control. You and I know why.... :shakeh: No one is being DENIED those 4. If you work for Hobby Lobby and want an abortion pill, go buy one. The Green Family WILL NOT OBJECT... :shakeh: The very notion of "free" contraception is a nutty idea. Buy your own pill! :shakeh:

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Re: Disorder in the Court

Postby Coondog » 2014 Jul 02 18:07

So..........from the constitutional purist (shall make no law respecting religion) who wants no bureaucrat coming between you and your doctor is fine with fanatical religious hypocrites coming between you and your doctor. Figures!

Hobby Lobby provides insurance.....not contraception. Doctors provide contraception. Contraception prevents unwanted pregnancy (ie) abortions. Hobby Lobby doesn't understand this because they have their religious heads up their religious asses. The majority at the Suppurate Court doesn't understand this because they're merely political shills who have their political heads up their political asses on behalf of religious fanatics who have their collective fanatical religious heads up their collective fanatical religious asses.

You don't seem to understand this because................... :baby:

Coondog :laughing:

Like the Mullahs who concocted this ruling, you fail to appreciate the ramifications.....but, you will.

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Re: Disorder in the Court

Postby fangz1956 » 2014 Jul 03 08:33

Here's a reference list of "closely held" American corporations. This list is only for the largest corporations and does not include non-profits. Notice that the grand total of potentially affected employees exceeds 4 million. This ruling coupled with the ruling against union dues collections for home healthcare workers is a slap in the face to every employed person in the nation. I do believe SCOTUS has just opened Pandora's Box.

Closely held US Companies

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Re: Disorder in the Court

Postby nudgewink » 2014 Jul 03 11:03

Silly girl.
You just don't get it.
Yes, 4.5 million persons (I hesitate to call them that, it elevates their status too much) will have their religious beliefs and practices overruled by their employer.
That's a small price to pay for preserving the God-given rights of the tiny number of people who own those companies. After all, corporations are the only real persons.
This is Murrca!
Can you imagine the chaos if employees were allowed religious freedom?
Get real.
They will be much happier having those important decisions made for them.
You're welcome, Fangz, glad to assist on this.
As a female you just needed a little help to grasp these concepts.

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wimpy wimpy wimpy

Postby Crux » 2014 Jul 03 21:04

Coondog wrote:So..........from the constitutional purist (shall make no law respecting religion) who wants no bureaucrat coming between you and your doctor is fine with fanatical religious hypocrites coming between you and your doctor. Figures!

Hobby Lobby provides insurance.....not contraception. Doctors provide contraception. Contraception prevents unwanted pregnancy (ie) abortions.


Two points. First, to the words "shall make no law respecting religion" there is a second part that goes to the "no law restricting the free exercise there-of". In a land that leaves the Amish well enough alone, we need not force Christian business owners to provide for the termination of "unwanted pregnancies", which is my second point....

You all are FLIPPING OUT! It is kinda funny. MOSTLY though it's sad. CONTRACEPTION coverage should not be MANDATED, or made "free", which is to say we all should pay for it whether we need it or not (man here :salut: ) and that it should be all forms whether you like it or not! Note that working for Hobby Lobby is not MANDATED. If you CHOOSE to work for that company and want a morning after pill, go buy yourself one. Cripes. It's a "free" country WIMPS.

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Re: Disorder in the Court

Postby Coondog » 2014 Jul 04 19:02

Are you really that naïve or are you just being argumentative and obnoxious? Coondog is talking to you, crux!

Nobody is forcing Hobby Lobby to do anything but provide the same level of comprehensive health coverage that everybody else does. But lets not waste time on Hobby Lobby's "religious principles". They either don't have any or what little they have don't extend to their financial investments.

Should contraceptives be free?

If unwanted pregnancy is a concern, abortions, over population, child poverty, welfare expenditures and a whole bevy of other concerns including health matters, then society, who benefits from a lack of unwanted pregnancies and preventative health measures. has an inherent interest in the provision of said contraceptives.

If conservatives and religious wind bags were really concerned about abortion, they'd be handing out contraceptives themselves for free. But, we all know that's just a topic to keep easily manipulated people stirred up. They really don't give a damn about unborn babies......because unborn babies are not corporations. Notice that all of the God Given rights to life they want to bestow on an embryo disappear as soon as it sticks it's head out?

Your problem is that you feel you have to defend these people whose worst problems are overshadowed by their fear of sex. They think it should only be for the purpose of procreation. In marriage. In the missionary position. In the dark. Any enjoyment of such heinous activity is sure, by their strict doctrine, to send them straight to hell.

Unless of course its with a child!!!!!!!

Coondog :curse:

Remember....you're judged by who your friends are. Hobby Lobby is no one's friend and neither are those five scurvey rats in black bathrobes.

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Fear of Sex?

Postby Crux » 2014 Jul 05 09:20

Settle down. Hobby Lobby is owned by a Family, that has a religious/moral objection to abortion, and do not want to fund four out of 20 forms of "birth control" because they terminate a pregnancy in the very early stages. I myself am not too blown up personally about a 2 or 16 or 128 cell human embryo.

That's me. Fear of sex has nothing to do with anything. The Greene family won in the Court. That's that. It is not LIBERAL or PROGRESSIVE to force the Greenes or the Catholic Church to pay for abortions or any kind. It is BULLYING. Hobby Lobby has your back on 16 out of 20. Settle down. Suck it up...

Or go get a different job if you are all that broken up about it. Comprehensive my ass. Only you would laud the one-size-fits-all national-socialist crap.

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Re: Disorder in the Court

Postby Juggler » 2014 Jul 05 22:31

If the Supreme Court says its the law, it's the law.

So, as Crux would say, suck it up.

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Lame Lame and more of the Same

Postby Crux » 2014 Jul 06 09:35

Juggler, you are so funny. I am sure you might have entertained SOMEONE here with your silly satirical nonsense. A couple thoughts though for you.

As far as ANALOGY is concerned, the wacky little bit of writing FAILS. Even any comparison between abortion and murder fails. Sure, some abortion is essentially legal murder. Take a viable child that is killed in the third trimester. Picture a baby in the mother's belly, poisoned and then cut out of the womb in little pieces, or a partially delivered baby who then receives a little snip to the spinal cord at the base of the neck... That is LEGAL. It is a late term abortion. Healthy babies are killed this way. Hundreds or thousands of babies that could live outside the womb, every year, in the name of a woman's right to choose. Not in the name of Hobby Lobby. As per stoning, this is a currently practiced aspect of Sharia Law in Muslim Lands.

Hobby Lobby also by the way, hires folks regardless of their gender or sexual identity... You bore me.

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If SCOTUS was baseball...

Postby Crux » 2014 Jul 06 10:33

...and Eric (Obama) Holder was the clean up hitter... here is a SHORT review of the smack-downs to our Dear Leader.
Ever the cheerleaders here on this silly little construct will have to admit to the Authoritarian Nature, like it or not, or Obama/Holder.

http://nypost.com/2014/07/05/eric-holde ... eme-court/