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Disorder in the Court

Postby Coondog » 2013 Jun 25 14:39

Supreme Court Guts The Voting Rights Act

In a 5-4 decision, the Supreme Court has thrown out Section 4 of the Voting Rights Act, the historic law first passed in the days after 1965's Bloody Sunday in Selma, Alabama. The ruling voids the formula to determine which jurisdictions require “pre-clearance” from the federal government before they make any changes to their voting laws, effectively freeing officials to alter voting procedures at will until Congress authorizes a new formula.


Citizens United Check

Voter Supression Check

Affirmative Inaction Check

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Re: Disorder in the Court

Postby Crux » 2013 Jun 25 18:14

Of course you have not really read much about the decision, let alone the decision itself. :dontknow:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articl ... 18977.html

Michele Malkin in a quick word about "Uncle Thomas and his 4 Accomplices" and a Hahvahd educated Democrat Senator...
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Re: Disorder in the Court

Postby Coondog » 2013 Jun 26 15:19

Actually, Coondog has read quite a lot about the decision. Shows how much you know.
The decision itself? Who's got time for that claptrap? Might as well read Michele Malkin.

As for Michele Malkin...........

(to paraphrase) The sound of a cat being raped by a bagpipe.

Why not just tell us what Glen Beck thinks about it, too? The fact that one would even suggest reading anything regurgitated by Michele Malkin negates any credibility that might have inadvertantly crept into an already disturbed point of view.

Who's next? Rush Limbaugh? Ted Cruse? The list of unhinged, blathering sociopaths goes on and on................

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Name calling, Race baiting, Personal Attack

Postby Crux » 2013 Jun 26 20:53

Cousin Coondog demonstrates nicely what Michele addresses. Funny really.

Once upon a time there was a problem. Apparently there is as high a voter turnout amongst blacks, even old black women, as whites. No more problem. States can run elections fairly, and when they do, there is no problem. Part of the VRA was struck down. Big deal. Look at half a dozen precincts in Philly this last go around. 100% vote for Obama. Not ONE, not one single vote for Romney. 74% black turnout in Mississippi and 70% turnout for whites. :dontknow:

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Re: Disorder in the Court

Postby fangz1956 » 2013 Jun 27 09:00

Crux.....

You are so good at spin you should consider going to work for the MSM.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/2012fraud.asp


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Re: Disorder in the Court

Postby Crux » 2013 Jun 27 19:17

Nothing I said was WRONG. I, like you, know that 90% PLUS of blacks voted for Obama.

My point was only to demonstrate black voter turnout, which is HIGH, as compared to whites in these modern times in America as compared to say, the times preceding the Voters Rights Act, of which one certain aspect was struck down.

I really don't know why you so over-react, and react contrary to the simple point I made. Oh well. :dontknow:

Fangz... Why are you like you are???? I am not your enemy. STAND for reason, critical thinking, liberty and free will. OK?
100% vote for Obama in Philadelphia precincts is not necessarily vote fraud, it is true, but it is clear demonstration that blacks vote, are politically active, and the numbers from sea to shining sea demonstrated this to the SCOTUS sufficiently...

Hey but it is all academic now isn't it. Decision is in, so is Obama, and there you have it. :coffee:

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Re: Disorder in the Court

Postby Coondog » 2013 Jun 28 10:56

So what?

90% of Blacks Voted for Obama and 100% of douchebags voted for Romney. This proves nothing.

Now, Coondog knows that denial of voter supression efforts by rebuplicans is mandatory, but I you had to stand in line for 9 hours to vote while those confounded minorities skate through in 10 minutes, you' probably be squalking about reverse discrimination. And rightly so!

When will republicans come to understand that Voter Fraud is not their big problem. Voter disgust is!

If it weren't for historically agregious gerrymandering and supression efforts, republicans couldn't even win a participation ribbon.

If you have to win with unfair tricks and schemes, you have already lost.

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Separate and unequal is not what that beloved constitution is all about.

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That's all you got?

Postby Crux » 2013 Jun 28 21:23

You sound like a whiner little bigoted BOY, dude... Seriously???

coondog wrote:So what?

...100% of douchebags voted for Romney.

...denial of voter supression efforts by rebuplicans is mandatory...
...If you had to stand in line for 9 hours to vote while those confounded minorities skate through in 10 minutes, you' probably be squalking about reverse discrimination.

When will republicans come to understand that Voter Fraud is not their big problem. Voter disgust is!

If it weren't for historically agregious gerrymandering and supression efforts, republicans couldn't even win a participation ribbon.

If you have to win with unfair tricks and schemes, you have already lost.

Coondog :tiphat:

Separate and unequal is not what that beloved constitution is all about.


Victim mentality. Big Ifs. Gerrymandering? Seriously? Voter disgust?

Poser and a loser. I don't say this to be mean or make myself feel good. You are lost my friend. The simple things confound.

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Re: Disorder in the Court

Postby Coondog » 2013 Jul 23 11:06

Suppose you're browsing through Walmart......perhaps looking for a bargain discount price on stuffed shirts.

Suppose you find a nice stuffed shirt with red, white and blue stripes....perfect for the next meeting of Tea Party conspirators and, as is common practice at Walmart, you pick up a few additional household items and food stuffs.

So...you get to the checkout line and they demand a specific government ID or a Patron of the Arts doner card before you can get in line and, you find that there is one available counter with a very long line for residents of Rockbridge County and Twelve counters with very short lines for residents of Lexington only. (Rockbridge County is primarily Republican and Lexington is predominately Democrat) Assume, for the purposes of this scenario, that you live in Rockbridge County.

All of the self check out lanes are out of order as it is well known that Republicans have all the cash. Your only option, then is to wait in line, for 9 hours, in order to exercise your right to buy obnoxious looking clothing, toothpaste, maxi-pads and assorted nick nacks......all the while observing food stamp wielding families of 10 and dubious lineage breeze through the plethra of available aisles.

9 hours will allow for contemplation of just how fair this situation is as someone was cautious enough to ensure that no one went through that 9 hour line twice. And relief may be felt for the fact that you didn't leave your birth certificate in the car.

Coondog :dontknow:

How did you enjoy your shopping experience, compared to the voting experience, at the home of low prices and convenience? and.....who has a victim mentality, now?

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Re: Disorder in the Court

Postby Wise One » 2013 Jul 24 06:33

Silly Coondog.

Everybody knows that in the United States:
  • Wasteful spending on junk merchandise is a hallowed right, honored and protected above all others
  • Voting is no right. It is a frill and a nuisance, to be impeded and denied at Republican whim, especially when people may be inclined to vote for Democrats.
Why don't you go back to France where you came from ?!

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truethevote.org

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The Truth About The Long Lines To Vote

Postby Kevsky » 2013 Nov 04 08:03

Re: Disorder in the Court

Postby coondog » 2013 Jul 23 11:06
Suppose you're browsing through Walmart......perhaps looking for a bargain discount price on stuffed shirts.

Suppose you find a nice stuffed shirt with red, white and blue stripes....perfect for the next meeting of Tea Party conspirators and, as is common practice at Walmart, you pick up a few additional household items and food stuffs.

So...you get to the checkout line and they demand a specific government ID or a Patron of the Arts doner card before you can get in line and, you find that there is one available counter with a very long line for residents of Rockbridge County and Twelve counters with very short lines for residents of Lexington only. (Rockbridge County is primarily Republican and Lexington is predominately Democrat) Assume, for the purposes of this scenario, that you live in Rockbridge County.

All of the self check out lanes are out of order as it is well known that Republicans have all the cash. Your only option, then is to wait in line, for 9 hours, in order to exercise your right to buy obnoxious looking clothing, toothpaste, maxi-pads and assorted nick nacks......all the while observing food stamp wielding families of 10 and dubious lineage breeze through the plethra of available aisles.

9 hours will allow for contemplation of just how fair this situation is as someone was cautious enough to ensure that no one went through that 9 hour line twice. And relief may be felt for the fact that you didn't leave your birth certificate in the car.

Coondog :dontknow:

How did you enjoy your shopping experience, compared to the voting experience, at the home of low prices and convenience? and.....who has a victim mentality, now?

Much of the complaints regarding the wait to vote were in regards to early voting. Most voters who choose to vote early have the option to vote by absentee ballet.

What the President neglected to say, however, was that she waited in line for three hours not on Election Day but on the first day of early voting (October 28) in Miami-Dade County where she lives. On Election Day, when the majority of people vote, Miami-Dade had 829 polling places open, but only 20 were open prior to Election Day.

Early voting is a convenience, not a right, and a relatively new phenomenon. It is meant for those who for some legitimate reason cannot vote on Election Day. Voters in that position also have the option in every state to vote by absentee ballot, something that does not require waiting in line at all. States and localities like Miami-Dade do not have the resources and the manpower to open 829 polling places for weeks before Election Day, and it would be a waste of taxpayer money to do so.

http://blog.heritage.org/2013/02/15/lon ... americans/

Some have also erroneously claimed that there was some kind of discrimination at play because the average wait times for blacks was seven minutes longer than for whites. But blacks tend to be concentrated in large urban areas and, according to the MIT study, the most populous areas had longer wait times than those living in areas with fewer voters. Even The New York Times was forced to admit that the “lines were longest in cities.”

http://blog.heritage.org/2013/02/15/lon ... americans/

And here is the kicker for those who think Republicans and the Tea Party is colluding to make voting inconvenient for Democrat voters only. The areas with the highest proportion of Democrat voters is under the control of Democrat officials who make the decisions about how resources are to be utilized. Basically, delays in voting in predominately Democratic precincts are due to the Democrat voting officials incompetency.

Those large urban areas are almost exclusively under the control of the President’s own party, whose local officials make the decisions about precinct size, voting equipment, and the number of poll workers.

http://blog.heritage.org/2013/02/15/lon ... americans/

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Re: Disorder in the Court

Postby Coondog » 2013 Nov 04 11:44

Clearly, Snake Boy has never heard of a State Board of Elections, how they're appointed, what they do and why no matter how many democrats inhabit a district, a republican Governor still controls electoral board constituency, whether state or local.

Note to all staunch conservatives: If you make some effort to educate yourselves prior to posting rehashed right wing blog fodder, it would not be necessary for Coondog to educate you here.

Then we can talk about what conservatives nationwide REALLY care about. Dancing with the Stars.

Coondog

How about that Elizabeth Berkley, eh?

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Snake boy v. Clowndog: U.S. Court of Shlemiel?

Postby Crux » 2013 Nov 04 14:00

FLASH!!!...Snakeboy not guilty. Acquitted clearly. Clowndog found in contempt.
Tough stuff to be found in contempt when you're the clerk of the court of shlemiel.

coondog wrote:Clearly, Snake Boy has never heard of a State Board of Elections, how they're appointed, what they do and why no matter how many democrats inhabit a district, a republican Governor still controls electoral board constituency, whether state or local.


Good try. You managed to what? ALLUDE to some point? Create smoke? Sound informed???

...weird...

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Re: Disorder in the Court

Postby Kevsky » 2013 Nov 04 21:53

Clearly, Snake Boy has never heard of a State Board of Elections, how they're appointed, what they do and why no matter how many democrats inhabit a district, a republican Governor still controls electoral board constituency, whether state or local.


Really? You believe in all 50 states, a Republican governor controls the electoral board constituency?

And again you are wrong. It varies from state to state.

In many states the county and municipal election boards are administered by elected officials who are voted in to office. Many of these election boards are controlled by Democrats.

As might be expected given the Constitutional mandate that the individual States conduct elections in our country, the administrative structure of election offices varies widely from State to State and region to region.


http://www.usinfo.org/enus/government/elections/tech3.html#PENNSYLVANIA

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Re: Disorder in the Court

Postby Coondog » 2013 Nov 05 12:58

All 50 states? Did Coondog say all 50 states? Coondog doesn't think so.

So lets just narrow it on down to Virginia, eh? Since it has a Republican Governor......for now........

And let's use the Reptile's chart: (bold accents by coondog)

VIRGINIA



STATE OFFICES:

STATE BOARD OF ELECTIONS-

•three members appointed by the Governor for four year terms, political party of the Governor has two members, opposition party has one member.
•supervises and coordinates work of County and City Electoral Boards and General Registrars.
•prescribes form of ballots for all elections, voter registration cards and absentee voting material.
•approves all voting machines/systems before use.
•canvasses Electoral Board returns,verifies against precinct results, certifies results of statewide referenda, prepares certified statement of results an issues certificates of election for federal and state offices, members of the General Assembly, and local offices shared by more than one county or city administers statewide automated voter registration system from which election rosters for use at all polling places in all elections are produced.



LOCAL OFFICES:

COUNTY/CITY ELECTORAL BOARDS-

•three members, one appointed each year by a majority of county/city circuit court judges for three year term, two represent political party of Governor[/b], one the opposing party.
•appoints local election officers and general registrar.
•provides ballots for all elections.
•after primary, municipal, and special elections, determines local results and transmits abstract to State Board.
•after general elections, determines city or county results for all offices, and transmits certified abstracts to State Board, and for federal, state, General Assembly and local offices shared by more than one city or county, sends copies of precinct results to the State Board.
•issues certificates of election for all local offices not shared with another jurisdiction.

COUNTY/CITY REGISTRARS-


VIRGINIA



STATE OFFICES:

STATE BOARD OF ELECTIONS-

•three members[b] appointed by the Governor
for four year terms, political party of the Governor has two members, opposition party has one member.
•supervises and coordinates work of County and City Electoral Boards and General Registrars.
•prescribes form of ballots for all elections, voter registration cards and absentee voting material.
•approves all voting machines/systems before use.
•canvasses Electoral Board returns,verifies against precinct results, certifies results of statewide referenda, prepares certified statement of results an issues certificates of election for federal and state offices, members of the General Assembly, and local offices shared by more than one county or city administers statewide automated voter registration system from which election rosters for use at all polling places in all elections are produced.



LOCAL OFFICES:

COUNTY/CITY ELECTORAL BOARDS-

•three members, one appointed each year by a majority of county/city circuit court judges for three year term, two represent political party of Governor[/b], one the opposing party.
•appoints local election officers and general registrar.
•provides ballots for all elections.
•after primary, municipal, and special elections, determines local results and transmits abstract to State Board.
•after general elections, determines city or county results for all offices, and transmits certified abstracts to State Board, and for federal, state, General Assembly and local offices shared by more than one city or county, sends copies of precinct results to the State Board.
•issues certificates of election for all local offices not shared with another jurisdiction.

COUNTY/CITY REGISTRARS-

[b]•[b]appointed by local Electoral Boards
[/b]for four year terms.
•administers voter registration.
•appoints assistant registrars.





ELECTION DAY OFFICERS:

OFFICERS OF ELECTION-

•not less than three individuals per precinct[b] appointed by Electoral Board [/b]for one year term.
•administers and supervises elections at the polling place, canvass and certify results of the precinct vote.
for four year terms.
•administers voter registration.
•appoints assistant registrars.





ELECTION DAY OFFICERS:

OFFICERS OF ELECTION-

•not less than three individuals per precinct appointed by Electoral Board for one year term.
•administers and supervises elections at the polling place, canvass and certify results of the precinct vote.

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Re: Disorder in the Court

Postby Kevsky » 2013 Nov 06 08:56

So lets just narrow it on down to Virginia, eh? Since it has a Republican Governor......for now........


Lets not. You know the argument being made was in the national context and not in the context of the state of Virginia. For you now to try to limit it to Virginia is disingenuous. So to outline the argument we are now in (that you have attempted to obfuscate.)

1. Through your Walmart checkout line example you attempted to illustrate how the voting system was inequitable.

2. I countered your example with 2 arguments with which I cited an article and quotes from the article regarding the
elections. The article was titled "Long Lines to Vote? Not for the Vast Majority of Americans". My two arguments were;
a. Long lines were mostly in early voting and that voters who could not vote on election day had the option to vote by
absentee ballot. I referenced a quote in the article regarding the voting process in Miami-Dade Florida.
b. The areas of the Nation that experienced the longest delays were mostly in urban areas. I than cited
a quote in which from the author of the article which that stated that those large urban areas were controlled by
the President's own party.

3. You than stated;

Clearly, Snake Boy has never heard of a State Board of Elections, how they're appointed, what they do and why no matter how many democrats inhabit a district, a republican Governor still controls electoral board constituency, whether state or local.


Which in the national context is incorrect as all states have differing structures on how their administration of elections is handled.

4. I than stated;

In many states the county and municipal election boards are administered by elected officials who are voted in to office. Many of these election boards are controlled by Democrats.


5. Now you are attempting to limit the argument just to how Virginia Election Administration is handled to obfuscate the argument.

So here is the point;

In many areas of the United States, there are areas where voters experience severe voting issues (long lines, long waiting time, inadequate staffing, shortage of voting machines). These issues occur mainly in large urban areas. These large urban areas are overwhelmingly Democrat and very often controlled by election officials who are elected or appointed by elected officials from the Democrat party.

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Re: Disorder in the Court

Postby Crux » 2013 Nov 06 09:29

Kevsky wrote:
So here is the point;

In many areas of the United States, there are areas where voters experience severe voting issues (long lines, long waiting time, inadequate staffing, shortage of voting machines). These issues occur mainly in large urban areas. These large urban areas are overwhelmingly Democrat and very often controlled by election officials who are elected or appointed by elected officials from the Democrat party.

FORGET trying to get corn to be serious or getting clown to focus...
Your point is well made and true.
coondog likes to conflate and obfuscate. It is a tactic of hate.

coondog is a rebel thru and thru. His battle flag, the Scars and Barbs...
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Re: Disorder in the Court

Postby Coondog » 2014 Jan 08 17:54

The resident reptilian is wrong:

These large urban areas are overwhelmingly Democrat and very often controlled by election officials who are elected or appointed by elected officials from the Democrat party.

Election officials are, as a rule, appointed by governors. Voter suppression is not even hinted at in states with Democrat(ic) governors. Somehow, that issue arises in states where the Governor is Republican and so are the majority of election officials.

Can we just have a show of hands on this?

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Re: Disorder in the Court

Postby Kevsky » 2014 Jan 09 05:46

Election officials are, as a rule, appointed by Governors. Voter suppression is not even hinted at in states with Democrat(ic) governors. Somehow, that issue arises in states where the Governor is Republican and so are the majority of election officials.
Coondog, you are wrong.

Election officials are, as a rule, appointed by governors.
Incorrect. At a local level, election officials are often elected or appointed by an authority other than the state Governor.

Voter suppression is not even hinted at in states with Democrat(ic) governors.
Incorrect. The example of Illinois below proves your statement incorrect.

Somehow, that issue arises in states where the Governor is Republican and so are the majority of election officials.
Incorrect. Again, the example of Illinois below proves your statement incorrect. Really, in many states it would not matter if the Governor was Republican or Democrat or Independent or Romulan or Klingon for that matter. In the larger urban areas of the U.S., the election officials at the local (county or municipal level) are either elected in most cases or in some cases appointed by an authority other than the Governor. The larger urban areas (ie., Chicago, Philadelphia, Detroit, etc.) tend to be the localities where voter suppression (long lines, lack of voting machines, etc) is alleged. These localities also tend to have majority Democrat voters and to have mostly Democrat election officials elected at the local level. (stands to reason, does it not).

Lets take Illinois as an example. They have a Democrat governor. In the state of Illinois there were accusations of voter suppression.

http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20121106/chicago/long-lines-reported-early-at-some-polling-places

Illinois administration of elections is such:

ILLINOIS



STATE OFFICES:

STATE BOARD OF ELECTIONS-

•eight bipartisan members, four from Cook County and four from the remainder of the state, appointed by the Governor in each odd numbered year for four year terms.
•supervises the administration of registration and election laws in the state.
•provides a uniform manual of instructions for election judges.
•prepares and certifies ballots for proposed amendments to the state constitution or any referenda.
•prescribes forms, notices and other supplies used in for registrations and elections.
•filing office for nominating petitions.
•certifies ballot for all federal, state, and multi-county offices.
•serves as the electoral board for objections to petitions for federal, state, and multi-county offices and statewide referenda.
•canvassing board for federal, state, and multi-county offices and statewide propositions, including amendments to the state constitution.


LOCAL OFFICES:

COUNTY CLERK-

•elected for four year term.
•responsible for the conduct of all primary, general and special elections for federal, state, and county offices and referenda in any county, or portion thereof, not having a Board of Election Commissioners.
•responsible for the conduct of elections for all units of government located within the county.
•filing office for nominating petitions for county offices and referenda.
•chairman of the electoral board hearing objections to petitions for county offices and certain other units of government within the county.
•administers voter registration.
•administers absentee registration and voting.
BOARD OF ELECTION COMMISSIONERS-

•three members appointed by the county circuit court for three year terms; presently created in eight municipalities and in one county.
•for these municipalities and county, essentially assumes the registration and election responsibilities of the County Clerk.

TOWNSHIP/MUNICIPAL CLERK-

•may administer in-person absentee voting for all elections.
•filing office for nominating petitions for that unit of government.
•certifies ballot for that unit of government to County Clerk or Board of Election Commissioners.
•serves on local canvassing board.


As you can see, The Governor of Illinois does not appoint the election officials at the local level for Illinois. The county clerk is elected. The Board of Election Commissioners are appointed by the county circuit court.

Take Florida as another example. They have a Republican Governor. There were accusations of voter suppression in Florida.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/29/floridas-long-lines-election-voting_n_2381482.html

Florida's Election administration is as such:

FLORIDA



STATE OFFICES:

SECRETARY OF STATE-

•chief election officer, elected for four year term.
•provides guidance to Supervisors of Elections.
•provides technical assistance to Supervisors of Elections.
•prescribes voter registration forms and procedure.
•prescribes rules concerning electronic voting systems.

ELECTION CANVASSING COMMISSION-

•Governor, Secretary of State and Director of Elections (appointed by Secretary of State).
•canvasses all county returns and prepare election abstract.


LOCAL OFFICES:

SUPERVISORS OF ELECTIONS-

•chief election official at the county level, elected for four year terms.
•appoints other local election officials.
•administers voter registration.
•administers absentee voting.
•conducts poll worker training.
•distributes election materials to each precinct.

COUNTY CANVASSING BOARD-

•includes Supervisor of Elections, County Court Judge and Chairman of the County Board of Commissioners.
•tabulates county vote and prepares abstracts for transmittal to the Secretary of State


ELECTION DAY OFFICERS:

ELECTION BOARD-

•two Boards per precinct composed of Inspectors and Clerks appointed by Supervisor of Elections.



In Florida, The chief election officer is the Secretary of State, an elected position. At a local level, voting is administered by the Supervisors of Elections, also an elected position. The Governor does no appoint these positions.


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