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Incoherency

Postby Coondog » 2014 Apr 10 12:32

So.....if we deny that Fast & Furious was part of the Gunrunner Program and we deny that the Gunrunner Program started in 2006 and we assume that, months after taking office, Obama was directly involved in the activities of an ATF field office in Phoenix and we further assume that communications after the fact between the President and the Department of Justice should be freely accessible to people like Louie "Asparagus" Gohmert who claims to be concerned about dead Mexican drug war victims (he's not)..................then, welcome to the twisted world of crux in exile.

Here, in exile, one may dwell endlessly on well intended mistakes that cost the life of one border guard in Arizona or four diplomats in war torn Libya half a world away. Who knew what and why? Feel free to treat lapses that resulted in 9/11 and cost 3,000 lives, or the ensuing debacle in Iraq, which cost even more thousands of lives and maimed tens of thousands more, as perfectly reasonable and justifiable.

One might also lament the difficulties imposed by the IRS on entities who claimed tax exempt status they were not entitled to under the law, but ended up getting anyway.

Up is down, right is left, black is white. How wonderful it is here in exile not to have to acknowledge that the realities of that other, tangible universe, exist at all.

Pragmatist that Coondog is......he leaves you to it!

Coondog :tiphat:

........................has left the building!

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For crying out loud. This is simple stuff.

Postby Crux » 2014 Apr 10 21:06

I am suggesting we have a duty to understand all this "gunwalking" activity. Fast and Furious as I said was an operation different than the others in scale and tactic. Justice should not stonewall the oversight process. It is that simple. Allowing thousands of weapns to be purchased illegally, and not having any resulting arrests or confiscations after the fact of these weapons, especially in the light of the deaths of hundreds is troubling to say the least. Americans should scrutinize this and I do. You wanna debate 911, Iraq, whatever, great. I am all for it. The rest is grandstanding. You do want the Executive to be forthcoming about this stuff right?

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Really?

Postby Coondog » 2014 Apr 11 12:23


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My goodness clown, you can do better...

Postby Crux » 2014 Apr 11 13:05

We can learn a lot of things by looking into it. There are, again, differences between the two programs.

Fast and Furious was FAR larger in scale. It was a gun walking operation, where as Wide Receiver was also a GUN TRACKING operation. There were electronic tracking devices hidden INSIDE the guns. This was not the case in F&F. Also in Wide Receiver the Mexican authorities were INFORMED. This was not the case in F&F. Two U.S. agents were killed, Terry and Zapata, as per the F&F guns. Also, Wide Receiver was SHUT DOWN in 2007, two years before F&F kicked off in late 2009. The extent to which WR was in ANY way flawed, was FAR FAR and away exceeded by the F&F scheme. There are hundreds of deaths CONFIRMED by F&F guns. This is a HUGE difference as compared to WR! F&F allowed THOUSANDS of guns to simply be bought by straw purchasers and flow over the border, to fuel a drug war, and give a propaganda victory to the Obama administration that was pushing a gun control narrative in the U.S. I have laid out realities you simply will yourself to ignore.

Coondog. I wish you would actually live up to my expectations of you. They are not really that grand, really.

Watch this 5 minute video. Remember there were WHISTLE BLOWERS involved in F&F!! ATF officers were ordered to stand down and let the guns go EVEN when they could have been interdicted. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EupHuUQVzVo

Remember also, ATF is a part of the Department of Justice, headed by HOLDER. Again, WR ENDED in 2007,
and F&F STARTED in LATE 2009 and ran well into and through the first term of the Obama Administration...


coondoggie woof woof sit lay down and roll over :pat:

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Re: crux's corner...(self directed exile in the House)

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Humans

Postby Coondog » 2014 Apr 13 11:32

Strict Constitutionalists ought to be aware of the phrase, "of the people, by the people, for the people....". Or, if you like, "We the People"

The key word is "people". Whether it be the IRS, the State Department or a group of ATF agents in Phoenix, people make unintentional mistakes, lapses in judgment, regardless of the nobility of intent or lack thereof. The constitution itself was constructed by people....seeking to form a "more perfect" (not entirely 100% perfect) union.

The problem here is that there is a concerted effort to attribute every human failure to Obama for what appears to be an unhealthy obsession with "pinning" something on the president. This obsession additionally appears to involve the suspension of the kind of spacial relationship recognition that the education system (however flawed) seeks to install in every third grader that they may interact in a cogent manner with the world around them.

This, too, is a flaw that is all too human. But it is the kind of flaw that the insistence upon sends many third graders to the corner and places young children in special ed classes, detention or worse.

Combined with the paranoid delusion that there is some sinister, intentional plot behind every human failing compounds the failure....no....refusal to accept reality as it exists.

It is unlikely that any amount of facts or reasoning or logic is going to have any effect whatsoever on the obsessive paranoid delusions that are sustained by suspension of rational analysis of any event that fails to uphold the notion that Obama is a multi-tennacled abomination who hides under the bed or in a closet to suddenly appear in the night to steal your freedoms.

Coondog has no illusions that any of the Tea Party fanatics will ever graduate to the fourth grade.

Coondog :tongue3:

Have a lollypop!

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F&F began October 2009 is the FACT

Postby Crux » 2014 Apr 13 12:52

Actually, We The People, refers to the sovereign that is THE PEOPLE. We the people IS NOT the government, the IRS, etc.

So first off you are wrong on that. Secondly, Fast and Furious, a gun walking scheme that allowed straw purchases of at least 2,000 semiautomatic rifles which were knowingly destined to help fuel a drug war in Mexico, was a Federal Government operation run by the ATF (Justice Department) under Holder, in the first term of the Obama administration, and it and it's consequences are what is being scrutinized, RIGHTLY. The stonewalling and positioning of Holder and Obama are troubling in the extreme. This isn't that hard to figure out... Unless you are an outright die hard cheer leading leftist that can not bear to scrutinize their own.

Reasonable folks are troubled by this episode, "Fast and Furious". You lose clown.

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Nothing

Postby Coondog » 2014 Apr 14 11:47

Coondog has lost nothing......and neither have you!

My point goes to the fact that, in spite of everything known (and much is known) Crux & Kvesky refuse to acknowledge that Fast & Furious was a part of Project Gunrunner.....as was Project Wide Receiver and numerous other exercises. What you do not apparently understand is that each separate operation under Gunrunner has it's own name. Of course the circumstances of each operation were dissimilar. The only thing they had in common was that all of them were ill conceived and poorly monitored.

Like Benghazi and the IRS issue, you complain that you don't know anything, then cite in specific detail exactly what happened along with spurious allegations that something that happened afterwards has something to do with it that will ultimately prove that Obama was personally involved.

Grow up!

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Poor argumentation...

Postby Crux » 2014 Apr 14 12:52


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Re: crux's corner...(self directed exile in the House)

Postby Coondog » 2014 Apr 14 13:04

What Coondog finds outrageous is political factions posing as social welfare organizations to get tax exempt status........getting it, then crying about it!

You remind me of people who want to start a fight is somebody suggests that Pro Wrestling.....like your feigned outrage, is fake.

That's why Coondog finds you so interesting!

Coondog :tiphat:

Big fan of Pro Wrestling

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Re: crux's corner...(self directed exile in the House)

Postby Crux » 2014 Apr 14 16:26

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXfIES-h8Lc

We will just have to watch this one. I say it is HUGE. Ideologically driven partisan use of the IRS by DEMOCRATS is HUGE.

cruz- "All grown up but growing all the time..."

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Of course climeate change happens...

Postby Crux » 2014 May 09 03:46

No Doubt. If it gets warmer, the "bread basket" moves north, and folks live longer in warm climates... Control China, India and COAL and get back to me.

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Re: Mother Nature ONLY

Postby nudgewink » 2014 May 09 15:41

I ain't obeying no dam speed limit.

Hell, control them guys I seen with Porsches and Lamborghinis, then get back to me.

Meanwhile I'll drive fast as I goddam please.

So I hit a school child or two? Hell, it coulda jes as well been one o' them Porsches and Lamborghinis what did it, so don't point yer finger at me jes because I had bad luck.

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Re: Mother Nature ONLY

Postby Crux » 2014 May 10 17:38

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Mad About Harry

Postby Coondog » 2014 May 11 12:35

Harry Reid has an unhealthy obsession with the Koch Brothers........in much the same way conservatives have an unhealthy obsession with:

Benghazi
the IRS
the NSA
Hillary
Bill
Fast & Furious
Obama's Birth Certificate
Guns
Oil
Minorities
Sex in general
Vaginas in particular
Money
Power
Religion
Weather
and Ronald Reagan

.....to mention just a few.

The Koch brothers are merely symptomatic of what the unregulated do to screw things up the instant you deregulate them. Just as when the Supreme Court decides that Southern States don't need to be regulated with regard to voter discrimination, they immediately display evidence that they indeed do need to be regulated.

Regulations are the standards by which a civilized society assures that activities of the individual are not detrimental to the society as a whole. All law is a restriction on somebody or something. The absence of law is not freedom for all. The absence of law is anarchy. Anarchy destroys civilization and allows the few most powerful, and the worst abusers, the freedom to exercise their unbridled liberties at the expense of everyone else's.

Harry Reid should not be angry at the Koch Brothers for taking advantage of the absence of law. He should be angry at the Supreme Court for the advocacy of anarchy.

Coondog :typ:

Ironic that those who seek to maintain the rule of law under a strong federal government are said to want to destroy America by taking away our freedom, while those who applaud and advocate separatism, unlicensed freedom and anarchy claim to love America most.

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clown OFF MY PAGE

Postby Crux » 2014 Sep 14 17:30

This is worth posting: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/09 ... et-weapon/ Watch the ten year old girl dust the male High School JROTC fella in a push up challenge!

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Re: crux's corner...(self directed exile in the House)

Postby Wise One » 2014 Oct 02 10:30

"If your only tool is a hammer, every problem looks like Donald Trump."

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For the American Way and the Natural Way

Postby Crux » 2014 Oct 02 19:15

Thanks AO. I think it is easy to take comfort in the unexamined mind of label philosophy. Take libertarian, conservative, anarchist, or liberal. They all can give simple truths of comfort. The author seemed to think libertarianism offered him solace. They all can. Liberalism for example: fairness, egalitarianism, equality, and freedom. Shoot. I champion those. Most folks like MOST folks champion those. It is the underling principles and the specifics and the policies and the results that matter. POLICY. There is an icky word. It is icky to the ideologically pure no matter they be any of the above mentioned four options! It is LIBERTY based on individual rights in the construct that is, the American experience, that I so love....
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for King and Country

Postby Crux » 2014 Oct 24 07:43

...and beyond that it is LOVE that matters most. I am working at it every day....
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This is the concept right here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-2dKOfbC9c

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Amy P. ain't gonna like this one but who cares!

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