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Rockbridge
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Follow The Money!

Postby Rockbridge » 2012 Nov 20 11:24

Every reader here has probably heard it said, "Follow the money trail, if you want to get to the truth of a matter". Many times, I have found that to be true, especially in politics, on both sides of the isle. However, I had never really examined that statement, as it applies to individuals, until recently, but I believe it does.

Business owners, as well as those who stand to gain, when business profits increase, want fewer regulations and more freedom to hire and fire workers, except when Government steps in with its printed dollar bribes, to bail out friends, calling them "too big to fail".

On the other hand, workers just want a nice pay check on a regular basis, month after month, and year after year. They really don't care whether it comes from more Government funding or privately generated profits. If workers can do less, for more, that's okay with them, and if Government wants to step up to the plate with "free stuff", that' okay too.

Again, on the other hand, if business can get more money for less ingenuity, that's okay with them, and once again, if Government wants to step up to the plate with "free stuff", that' okay too.

So, there you have it. The Great American Divide, a fork in the money trail, but two money trails, never the less. Not a very pretty picture, but a Dorian Grey picture, which will eventually have to be faced, by both sides. Ironically, the choices to be made, by workers and business owners alike, which will keep this country free, have nothing to do with money, and everything to do with each of us putting into practice the unselfish qualities of “Doing unto others, as we would have them do unto us”, not “as they do to us”.

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Re: Follow The Money!

Postby Uji » 2012 Nov 21 09:33

Rockbridge wrote:Ironically, the choices to be made, by workers and business owners alike, which will keep this country free, have nothing to do with money, and everything to do with each of us putting into practice the unselfish qualities of “Doing unto others, as we would have them do unto us”, not “as they do to us”.

Well said, Rockbridge. Thanks for the reminder.

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Re: Follow The Money!

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Wise One
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Dump the penny and nickel!

Postby Wise One » 2013 Feb 07 15:08





My ideal system of new US coinage:
  • Drop the penny and nickel. Both now worth less than a penny was worth when I was a boy, we'd never miss them.
  • Dime. The only coin that's already perfect. Don't change a thing.
  • Thirty cents, make it just a tad smaller than the present nickel. New coins must all be multiples of a dime so we can make change.
  • Dollar. People don't use the dollar coin now because it is too big. It should be just a tad smaller than the present quarter.
  • Five and higher, paper notes.
Coins should feel different so that visually impaired people can distinguish them. For example, the small dime and the large dollar are round, but the thirty cent piece has a hole in its center.
Paper notes, each denomination a different color and "feel."
"If your only tool is a hammer, every problem looks like Donald Trump."

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Coondog
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Re: Follow The Money!

Postby Coondog » 2013 Feb 07 17:10

Sure!

How 'bout we get rid of all the money and go back to the chicken and goat standard.

That would give Lexington city council something to go all apoplexic about.

Sorry I can't get behind this 'in for a penny, in for a dime' scheme. It's not that I care
any more about pennies than I so about Saturday bill delivery. But, incorporating the single
unit into multiples, I'm sure some would say, stinks of collectivism. Something commies
or Canadians might do.

Coondog :hammer:

If a penny is too expensive to make, why don't we make it out of something relatively worthless?
Like a dollar!

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Re: Follow The Money!

Postby Wise One » 2013 Feb 08 09:04

!
:laughing:

PS. Actually, it's not the "too expensive to make" argument that sways me. I'd be willing to pay if the penny and nickel did anything useful. They don't. The only thing they do is to consume hundreds of thousands of man-hours of time to handle them, merchants and customers alike, for no benefit whatever.
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Coondog
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Re: Follow The Money!

Postby Coondog » 2013 Feb 10 16:47

Nonsense!

It teaches high school kids working at fast food restaurants in Texas how to count......something they would have
learned in school if not for the time spend on creationism.

Coondog :2cent:

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Re: Follow The Money!

Postby Wise One » 2013 Feb 11 12:40

:hail:
"If your only tool is a hammer, every problem looks like Donald Trump."

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Crux
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Comments?

Postby Crux » 2013 Feb 18 10:25

"Facebook is just one of many big corporations who have recently faced accusations of tax avoidance. Thirty of the most profitable companies in America paid no net income tax during the years of 2008 to 2010 according to Citizens for Tax Justice.

This news comes after President Obama’s recent State of the Union address in which he advocated for getting rid of tax loopholes and deductions for the well-to-do and well-connected.

President Obama’s 2008 and 2012 campaigns each received large campaign donations from social media giants like Facebook, which has many experts questioning if this is the reason why the companies have not been singled out for tax breaks."

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/technolo ... d-earnings

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Re: Follow The Money!

Postby fangz1956 » 2013 Oct 01 12:59

The Return of the 19th Century

Interesting read and a very nice connecting of the dots.


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Ever looked at someone and thought "the wheel is turning but the hamster is dead"?

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Crux
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Follow The Money Indeed and Be Wise!

Postby Crux » 2013 Oct 01 17:48

Fangz, I get caught right away on 2 points. I have gone into it here on this forum. First on Labor Unions. I have shown that it is the right to work states generally have the higher wages and better economies. As well on income inequality, two things. The inequality mantra has long been a poor measure as we have income mobility in great measure, the opportunity to succeed beyond most countries and many folks do, and the current crop of Democrat Leaders are the ones propping up the wealthy. The wealthy are the ones getting the QE3 money and are the only ones who will really benefit from the purposeful inflationary policies of Obama and Crew. i include certain progressive big government Republicans and would exclude the small government Tea Party Types who are the adults in the room...

How you like this current Democrat Shutdown!

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Coondog
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Re: Follow The Money!

Postby Coondog » 2013 Oct 01 21:21

This is a strange post, even for crux.

Forget the ridiculous use of the troll terminology.....Democrat Shutdown. That phrase is too stupid give credence to by elaborating on it further.

Coondog, however, is baffled....puzzled as it were over this one:
......from the purposeful inflationary policies of Obama.....

inflationary policies?

Does the author understand the meaning of the term "inflation?' Does the author suggest that there is any source of evidence that current policy has proved to be inflationary? Can crux be considered an author.....or just a sponge?

The rate of inflation (currently about 1.6%) is as low as it has been in the last 10 years with the exception of 2008....and we know what happened in 2008. The highest rate of inflation over the past 10 years was in 2007 (4.1%), followed by 2004 and 2005. Now.....whose policies were responsible for those inflationary years?

Now, we can try to credit democrats in congress for 2007 and we can try to credit republican austerity for 2013, but coupling Obama with inflationary policies is factually...........WRONG!

There is legitimate room in a public forum for discussion of policy and even philosophy, but this constant infusion of non-factual BS into every such discussion is becoming nauseating.

Coondog

Consider this a teachable moment

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fangz1956
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Re: Follow The Money!

Postby fangz1956 » 2013 Oct 02 07:48

Crux.....

Your last comment is an epic FAIL! But what else can one expect from a bubble dweller?


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Ever looked at someone and thought "the wheel is turning but the hamster is dead"?

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Follow the money and reality if you can...

Postby Crux » 2013 Oct 02 08:06

We can judge inflation a number of ways. It can be viewed in a greater context. The devaluation of our currency. QE3 and the printing of bond/IOUs/electronic transfers of made up dollars/deferred taxes/debt. Rising health care costs. Rising food costs.

I suppose you have not noticed these things? I love the personal attacks. The simple rejoinders like "epic fail". :salut:

I know when clowndog is feeling the heat. He pulls out the TROLL card. Bob Woodward and Politico have both laid the the shutdown at the feet of the President and the Democrat Party. That's two more trollish observers of what has actually happened. The Shutdown is pure politics and it is being peddled out by Dems. It is a simple truth. I get that coon and Fangz are whole hearted partisans. I do not try to move you. You must look a bit deeper that simply wallowing at the trough of the Daily Kos.

Seriously.

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Crux
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LOVE those Drudge headlines! Thank goodness...

Postby Crux » 2013 Oct 02 12:14

...there is actual news being reported! (with commentary)

REPORT: WH REJECTED WWII VET REQUEST... (not hard to believe)
PAUL: 'Goons' blocked landmark... (Go Rand..."goons" indeed)
BARRYCADES: Park Service workers erect fences... (that's FUNNY!)
NPS says Obama admin ordered closure... (National Park Service told to close WWII Memorial-got it)
Reid blames Republicans... (so...)
Vets 'plan to storm Lincoln memorial'... (good)
WWI mem closed 'except for 1st Amendment activities'... (?)
WWII VETS THREATENED WITH ARREST (this is a disgusting little vignette)
Feds spend $100K for outhouse... (figures...probably a "green" project)
Dems reject GOP effort to fund key gov't depts... (see?)
Just 6.6% of EPA employees deemed 'essential'... (WHOA!!!...not hard to believe)
9 out of 10 IRS workers sent home... (good...except it is just an extra vacation as they WILL get paid...You know that.)
But 1,350,000 still on the job... (just keep voting for all that big government crap ya'll...sickening)

(crux)

http://drudgereport.com/

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Coondog
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Re: Follow The Money!

Postby Coondog » 2013 Oct 02 18:10

The Shutdown:

Democrats agree to the austerity level sequestered spending proffered by the republicans in order to keep the government operating for another lousy 6 weeks.

Not satisfied, republicans demand that the democrats kill the family dog. If democrats don't agree to kill the family dog, republicans will kill all the other family pets....cats, hamsters, hemit crabs.....all of them.

Starving kids is all part of the deal.

Democrats refuse that offer.

Republicans (piecemeal) legislation: OK, we'll only kill democrat family pets and keep our own pets alive. Kids still starve.

Republicans: If you don't take this (or any of these) deals , then it's all your fault!

And.....kids still starve.

Coondog

Sick motherf----rs!

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Crux
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He is a sickness or he's sick in the head.

Postby Crux » 2013 Oct 02 19:36

It is amazing and proves the point. There is never enough spending for socialists, progressives and democrats in general. Never enough spending, regulations, bureaucracy, government in general, or taxes. Sick indeed. Clowndog. He really is...

Kids starving. :shakeh: It's silly season! I know you don't believe what you write, right?
Because if you did, it would be strong evidence of a very decided ignorance or mental disorder.

I am going, Combination of Both for the WIN!!!

cruxtheonlygameintown

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Re: Follow The Money!

Postby Bigbux Stogeychomper » 2013 Oct 03 08:12

I think Crux is the only sane one here on the Forum.

PS. Sweetness might be a runner-up. By the way, where is she? She's gone silent.

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Coondog
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Sanity is a relative condition

Postby Coondog » 2013 Oct 03 08:59

Minions of Pro Life advocates neither know nor care what ultimately happens to those babies they insist are the most precious commodity on earth as their interest in the matter culminates at the moment of birth.

So, its not surprising to hear one cry "Fie!' upon confronting the notion of Starving Children. Likely never heard of WIC or what it does because its one of those Socialist, bleeding heart liberal, nanny-state programs that acutally acknowledges the existence of those babies and their mothers and their needs after the emergence of the baby from that sacred and mysterious womb.

The nutritional needs of nearly nine million low-income women and children are threatened with the federal government's halting of funds for the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants and Children.

“There are health consequences when mothers cannot provide food and nutrition for their kids,” the Rev. Douglas Greenaway, head of the nonprofit advocacy group the National WIC Association, told Forbes on Wednesday. “There’ll be no infant formula and no breastfeeding support. If the baby doesn’t latch, that’s it.”

The program, known as WIC, provides supplemental vouchers to more than 8.9 million mothers and children living near or below the federal poverty line, Forbes reports. The vouchers pay for healthy food, breastfeeding support, infant formula, and other services at clinics nationwide.

WIC is financed by the U.S. Department of Agriculture.


Of course, faced with lore hitherto unknown, the standard conservative reaction involves resorting to name calling and derrision with no foundation or "context".

Coondog :curse:

The best defense of ignorance, is seems, is being offensive.

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Crux
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Name calling?

Postby Crux » 2013 Oct 03 20:16

You are assaulting me both passively and directly. Aggression. :sleepy:

I will call you a name directly. Loser.

The simple fact of the matter is that Republicans offered to fund the entire government minus Obamacare. Failing that they sought a One Year delay to implementation and would fund everything else. Failing that they sought a One Year Delay to the individual mandate. Failing that they have specifically passed numerous small bills to fund essential parts of the government. The failure to negotiate, and compromise, lies not at the feet of the Republicans my friend. At WORST it is a shared problem.

The truth of the matter is the Dems too are playing politics. This is a big political stunt to score points, harass the tea party types, lambast republicans in the house and senate, and rest assured. All furloughed workers are simply getting a PAID VACATION. They will be paid in good time.

Grow up clown or do not. I really do not care...

crux

This country is BROKE my friend.