The Decline of Modern Journalism

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The Decline of Modern Journalism

Postby Wise One » 2012 Jul 16 11:56

Lately there's a lot of anger over "the Press" most everywhere. It is most virulent, and almost always wrong in ultrarightist rantings. But I think there is a real problem, completely different from how it is usually described.

In summary, to me the main problem with modern journalism is lazy acquiescence by journalists to power and money. I'll elaborate on that later with specific examples. Meanwhile, here's a funny example from today's news, together with an anachronistic illustration I made up.

President Lincoln granted an interview to a lazy reporter, of course reserving a right to approve quotations in any resulting story or he would bar his newspaper from all future White House press events. Here is the text which begins with what he actually said, and is marked up by White House staff into what was printed by the reporter, brackets indicate [deletions], and red indicates insertions:

[A long time] Four score and seven years ago [some folks started] our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation [to get out from under King George and to get rich], conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

[This war has been a bitch] Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. [They were godless, freedom-hating Rebs, but we beat 'em, Mission Accomplished.] We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.
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Ultra rightist rantings?

Postby Crux » 2012 Jul 16 18:36

You are a goof. Lincoln was far more literate that your spoof and the occasion called for greater words. We see the decline of modern journalism much clearer in the CHAMPIONING or Obama, and the failure to accurately report his buff-goonery.

Thank goodness for the balance that exists. Drudge, Fox, the late Breitbart...

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Re: The Decline of Modern Journalism

Postby Wise One » 2012 Jul 23 20:07

The modern Press is too often merely a stenographer, mindlessly repeating press releases and quotes by the powerful. Missing is critical analysis and all the relevant facts.

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Like this?

Postby Crux » 2012 Jul 23 20:25

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOAYbuPY ... r_embedded

CBS's Norah O'Donnell vs....PAUL RYAN!!! Dingdingding!!!
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Re: The Decline of Modern Journalism

Postby nudgewink » 2012 Jul 23 23:09

I think I am in love with Norah ... smart, feisty and beautiful

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3 examples of media brainwashed bias

Postby Crux » 2013 Feb 18 11:52

1. Asteroids caused by global warming? :laughing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_j5PMvI1HSQ

2. Stuck on a stinky poo infested cruise ship is just like Katrina? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXYoEEYZruc

:laughing:

3. AP PULLS a story featuring a BLATANT misprint of what Rand Paul said about illegal immigration?

First what AP reported:
“WASHINGTON — A Republican senator says he sees some in his party favoring a 2016 presidential candidate with an immigration policy that would ’round people up … and send them back to Mexico.’”

What Paul actually said:
“They (Americans) don’t want somebody who wants to round people up, put them in camps and send them back to Mexico.”

...blame it on FOX... Or watch the video yourself. :beer:

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Judith Miller anyone? Of the NYT? Pulitzer prize winner?

Postby Crux » 2013 Jun 06 13:08

Ouch...

Jun. 6, 2013 7:31am

Former New York Times investigative reporter Judith Miller says President Barack Obama is criminalizing reporting and that he’s getting away with it because he’s a Democrat and African American.

The author and First Amendment activist made the remarks to Jerusalem Press Club on Wednesday evening. A Jerusalem Post correspondent who covered the event quoted her as harshly criticizing the Obama administration’s treatment of the media.

“Investigative reporting is dangerous and hasn’t been as bad as it is now with the Obama administration since Watergate,” she said. “Obama has the worst record of civil liberties of any president since Nixon.”

She said that the administration is “criminalizing news gathering,” pointing to the examples of the Justice Department’s “systematic targeting” of Associated Press reporters and gaining access to the personal emails and phone records of Fox News correspondent James Rosen by naming him as a “criminal co-conspirator” under the Espionage Act of 1917.

“Am I worried about what is going on in America?” she asked. “Yes. We have a president who is doing terrible things in the name of ‘national security.’”

“I have particular fury over what happened to James Rosen,” she said. “The Espionage Act has been used six times by Obama – he has used this act to criminalize reporting more than any other president in history and [he] gets away with it because he is a Democrat and African-American, which we’re proud of,” she said, according to the Jerusalem Post.

She said she’s also troubled by the Justice Department’s pursuit of possible charges against WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange for publishing classified documents.

“For the U.S. government to be trying to go after him is very troubling,” she said. “[Assange] is a true publisher.”

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Re: The Decline of Modern Journalism

Postby nudgewink » 2013 Aug 18 09:12

This is very sad. I loved The Onion.

But, in the end, their competition was simply better.

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Re: The Decline of Modern Journalism

Postby fangz1956 » 2013 Aug 30 09:50

In light of the banging of the war drums by the American press, the following is an appropriate illustration of that same press' reluctance to actually do their job......that job being holding the powers that be accountable to the people.

This analysis of media coverage regarding the attack on Fallujah was written in April 2006....and it sure points to the double standard being followed in August 2013.


Now it's a chemical weapon, now it's not


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Re: The Decline of Modern Journalism

Postby Coondog » 2013 Aug 30 12:30

It's typically the case that it's only a heinous, immoral act if somebody else does it.

The 'drumbeat' of war currently pounding through the media on all fronts is a self fullfilling guaranteed attention grabbing inevitability, although most of America and the entire rest of the world don't seem to think it's a very good idea.

Who watched CNN prior to the first Gulf War? Nobody! War sells newspapers.......and viagra!

Coondog has already been informed, in the past 24 hours, by otherwise marginally rational people that World War III starts today and it will be fought in the streets of American cities and rural barnyards across the nation and.....that the End Times prophesy according to Revelations (the eagle and the bear thing) is coming to pass (this time).

This according to Facebook!

The proof, we are supposed to have revealed to us today, that Syria used chemical weapons is a moot point. The question of whether we have an ethical imperative to do something about it is. The perception that we are as guilty as they are doesn't argue well for the affirmative.

The one legitimate point of view might be that being instantly blown to bits by a Tomahawk missile is more humane than allowing for the continuing potential for the chemically induced enduring agony of having one's skin melted off the bone.

But......who's willing to make that ethical decision?

Why am I asking you? (Hedley Lamaar)

The answer is......there is no good answer. 'Journalists' may tell you otherwise!

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American Leadership

Postby Crux » 2013 Aug 30 14:23

It comes in the forms John Kerry, with his storied past, and Barry O. One has to admit this is an embarrassment...

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Re: The Decline of Modern Journalism

Postby Coondog » 2013 Aug 30 21:25

Embarrassment?

How about we call it what it is.........a complex problem.

What's embarrassing is having to tell the truth to simple minded idiots who prefer to have brash and booriswh cowboys lie to them and who find anything resembling a complex problem embarrassing.

The choice should be simple enough for even the terminally embarrassed to understand:

Either we accept that we are the only adults in the room and bomb the hell out of Syria for reprehensible behavior, thus solidifying the idea in every mind (even simple ones) that we are the sole police enforcement power on the planet.....

or, we accept the fact that that is what everybody expects, which exonerates them from taking responsibility while simultaneously complaining about police brutality and shock them to their wishy-washy cores by throwing up our collective hands and saying, 'F--- it! If you don't care then we don't either!'

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Leaning heavily toward option #2.

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American Leadership is sorely lacking.

Postby Crux » 2013 Aug 31 22:36

crux wrote:It comes in the forms John Kerry, with his storied past, and Barry O. One has to admit this is an embarrassment...


OK. So coondog thinks it GRAND. :clap: Obama and his administration has been sorely lacking on this Syria thing.
It is so obvious. The Red Line. The moving of 5 Carrier Groups to the Mediterranean, and then backing away from the strike he threatened. Sending Kerry out. What was that? This affair has been confused and hard to figure. Just WOW.

It is a bungling show of power. He referred to the Armed Forces of the United States as "My Military". :shakeh:

Admit it. :thumbup: You will feel better, or keep apologizing for him. :tiphat: Either way...

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Re: The Decline of Modern Journalism

Postby Coondog » 2013 Sep 02 22:03

Got any alternatives? Solutions?

Of course not!

Is there anything Obama might have done then that you wouldn't be whining about now? Or....anything he might do now you won't be whining about later? :baby:

Since you hang around right wing bloggery all day, surely some Obama hater out there has offered some alternative....some solution? A suggestion? Anything?

If so, pass it on. All this whining is becoming passe.

Coondog :salut:

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Re: The Decline of Modern Journalism

Postby fangz1956 » 2013 Sep 03 08:20

An excellent read (it is long).....and quite a good illustration of how journalism should work.

Your Labor Day Syria Reader, Part 2: William Polk


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Re: The Decline of Modern Journalism

Postby Wise One » 2013 Sep 03 09:29

Thanks, it's a good and substantive analysis.
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Re: The Decline of Modern Journalism

Postby Wise One » 2013 Sep 03 09:48

coondog wrote:Got any alternatives? Solutions?
Of course not!
Is there anything Obama might have done then that you wouldn't be whining about now?
How a pooch can wield a hammer to hit the nail squarely on its head will forever puzzle me, but you did it. Have a biscuit on me.

There is a radical conservative mindset that is determined to see only bad in Obama's every action, and never to recognize good even where obvious. I think there's a component of racism here, but it does not explain the entire phenomenon. We saw a lot of this when Clinton was in office, just not as extreme. The difference is racism, a malignant "What the hell is a black guy doing there pretending to be President?" attitude.

George W. Bush was, no contest, the worst President I've seen in my lifetime. But I'm happy to acknowledge his good points, few though they be: a pretty good speech after 9/11, support of a more sensible immigration policy, and US support of global efforts to address the scourge of AIDS. The Rush Limbaughs and Sean Hannity's and Mark Levins of the world will never do so with Obama.

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My take.

Postby Crux » 2013 Sep 03 13:14

I don't think a strike against Syria is a good idea. 2 days of cruise missiles... Whatever. I would leave that country alone.
Thugs and Jihadists killing thugs and Jihadists. Assaad, A quieda rebels. Let them battle it out for now. What Obama is doing is replacing dictators with Islamist Oligarchies. I would stay out of Syria.

I subscribe to the idea that Assaad will likely fall in 6 months or 16 months either way.

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Re: The Decline of Modern Journalism

Postby Crux » 2013 Sep 03 13:21

Wise One wrote:
There is a radical conservative mindset that is determined to see only bad in Obama's every action, and never to recognize good even where obvious. I think there's a component of racism here, but it does not explain the entire phenomenon. We saw a lot of this when Clinton was in office, just not as extreme. The difference is racism, a malignant "What the hell is a black guy doing there pretending to be President?" attitude.

George W. Bush was, no contest, the worst President I've seen in my lifetime. But I'm happy to acknowledge his good points, few though they be: a pretty good speech after 9/11, support of a more sensible immigration policy, and US support of global efforts to address the scourge of AIDS. The Rush Limbaughs and Sean Hannity's and Mark Levins of the world will never do so with Obama.

:coffee:


The criticisms of Clinton, Bush, and Obama are akin. All that stuff about racism is just stupidity. Essentially. Obama could not have gotten elected without WHITE people. Bush was defeated by WHITE people. BLACKS, vote FAR FAR MORE as a COHESIVE RACIAL GROUP. I know it plays well to the small minded bigots on the left, but the use of divisive victimizing identity politics is one of my main criticisms of "democrats". That ain't my game. By the way, suggesting, if you are, that I am racist, is to not know me at all. My heart, and my story is far to the contrary, and I will leave it at that.

There is much to find fault with and disagree with when it comes to Obama. :coffee:
It is very easy and natural and comes down to political social philosophy, economics, and style...

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Re: The Decline of Modern Journalism

Postby Coondog » 2013 Sep 04 11:02

The criticisms of Clinton, Bush, and Obama are akin.

Not quite!

The overt disdain for Obama is undeniably unprecedented. When has anything akin to the 'You Lie!' interruption at the State of the Union taken place? And....to suggest that the allegations of Obama being a 'Secret Muslim' aren't racial is simply naive. Take our country back? What does that mean?

Ken Starr hounded Clinton for his entire two terms. This is the republican agenda......the attempted delegitimization of Presidents who are not republicans. Ever since Nixon resigned over thievery and Regan got away with arming Iran in spite of the fact that he blatantly broke the law.

But, what is mostly NOT akin is the open disdain, denigration and disrespect of the First Lady. Laura Bush (and rightly so) was never abused, criticized and demeaned in a similar manner as Hillary or, more prominently, Michelle Obama by the right wing mouthesphere.

Republicans have a reverence for the Office of the President and all things related as long as it's theirs. We can argue whether disloyal opposition to the President is the prerogative of the party not in the White House. But...shameless derision of the First Lady is a relatively recent republican tactic that distinguishes itself from all semblance of decorum.....or decency.

Therein lies the difference!

Coondog :sad: