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A Separate Reality

Postby Coondog » 2012 May 07 16:09

I have come to to accept that the republican mind is irrevocably dissociated from the world of facts, rational thought and reality experienced by those of us who use our brains for something beyond sponge-like sopping up of noxious emissions and squeezing them back out. Inaccuracies, exaggerations, pettiness and blatent falsehoods be damned!

People who avidly subscribe to torturous mischaracterizations and poorly executed attempts at insipid humor apparently revel in polluting my in-box with such drivel on a daily basis. They illustrate what passes for thought processes within the conservative cranial cavity.

So.....I offer this, the first of likely many examples of right wing mentality in operation:


*THANK YOU AMERICA !*
> *Dear American Taxpayer
>
> For only the second time in my adult life, I am not*
> *ashamed of my country. I want to thank the hard*
> *working American people for paying $242 thousand*
> *dollars for my vacation in Spain .
>
> My daughter Sasha, several long-time family friends,*
> *my personal staff and various guests had a wonderful time.
>
> Honestly, you just haven't lived until you have stayed*
> *in a $2,500.00 per night private 3-story villa at a 5-Star luxury hotel.
>
> Thank you also for the use of Air Force Two
> and the 70 Secret Service personnel who tagged*
> *along to be sure we were safe and cared for at all times. *
> *By the way, if you happen to be visiting the Costa del Sol ,*
> *I highly recommend the Buenaventura Plaza restaurant*
> *in Marbella ; great lobster with rice and oysters! *
> *I'm ashamed to admit the lobsters we ate in Martha's Vineyard were not
> quite as tasty,
> but what can you do if you're not in Europe , you have to just grin and
> bear it?
>
> Air Force Two (which costs $11,351 per hour to operate
> according to Government Accounting Office reports)*
> *only used 47,500 gallons of jet fuel for this trip*
> *and carbon emissions were a mere 1,031 tons of CO2.
>
> These are only rough estimates, but they are close. *
> *That's quite a carbon footprint as my good friend*
> *Al Gore would say, so we must ask the American*
> *citizens to drive smaller, more fuel efficient cars and*
> *drive less too, so we can lessen our combined*
> *carbon footprint.
>
> I know times are hard and millions of you are struggling*
> *to put food on the table and trying to make ends meet. *
> *So I do appreciate your sacrifices and do hope you*
> *find work soon.
>
> I was really exhausted after Barack took our family*
> *on a luxury vacation in Maine a few weeks ago. *
> *I just had to get away for a few days.
>
> Cordially,
> Michelle (Moochelle) Obama
>
> P.S. Thank you as well for the $2 BILLION dollar trip*
> *to India from which we just returned! ** **
>
> P.SS. Thank you, too, for that vacation trip to*
> *Martha's Vineyard**; it was fabulous.
>
> And thanks for that second smaller jet that took our*
> *dog Bo to Martha's Vineyard so we and the children*
> *could have him with us while we were away from the*
> *White House for eleven days. After all, we couldn't*
> *take him on Air Force One because he might pee*
> *on some wires or something.
>
> P.SSS. Oh, I almost forgot to say thanks also for*
> *our two-week trip to Hawaii at Christmas. That 7,000*
> *square foot house was great!*
> *P.SSSs don't forget my ski trip to Vail this winter*
> *and now the girls and I are in Africa with my mom. *
> *All this while Barack golf’s and campaigns to*
> *keep my trips coming for the next 4 years !*
> *Love Ya!Remember, we all have to share the pain of these*
> *economic times equally!*
> *Love to -redistribute- share- the wealth.*
> *CAN WE HANDLE ANOTHER 4 YEARS OF THIS???** **STAND UP, SPEAK UP!!!*

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A Separate Reality...case file EW free lunch poser

Postby Crux » 2012 May 08 23:00

Take Elizabeth Warren. Darling of the Progressive Occupiers, and Holier than Thou Demoncats.

1/32nd Native American My Ass. A separation from reality to be sure...

Funny what inappropriate guilt can inspire. :laughing:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government ... l-of-Tears

The message is clear even if you disdain the messenger... A.B. R.I.P.

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Re: A Separate Reality

Postby Coondog » 2012 May 09 15:28

Ah, Crux! I was worried you had left us. Who else could so befittingly enhance the content of this topic with further examples of disassociated ultra-conservative thought processes.

The fact that someone out there even gives a rat's patootie about whether Elizabeth Warren is 1/32 Native American is testament to the trivial nature of what seems important to right wingers. It's a lot like Al Gore inventing the internet or Mitt Romney saving the American Auto Industry. Some lies matter.....some don't! Some sources you can believe.....some you can't!

Breitbart? Really?

Coondog

I thought the man was dead! :tongue3:

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Stop with the disassociated crap.

Postby Crux » 2012 May 09 19:52

Nudge hits me with stream of consciousness and now your "disassociated"! :hello2:

Then you seem incoherent, or simply ignorant?
:geek:

coondog wrote:Ah, Crux! I was worried you had left us. Who else could so befittingly enhance the content of this topic with further examples of disassociated ultra-conservative thought processes.

The fact that someone out there even gives a rat's patootie about whether Elizabeth Warren is 1/32 Native American is testament to the trivial nature of what seems important to right wingers.


It mattered to ELIZABETH WARREN in her own self identification. "Native American" "African Americans" Liberal labels of political correctness. Well some are quite happy with "Black Studies" and "The American Indian Movement" too.

Then there's our "Black President", Zimmerman the "White Hispanic", and yes Elizabeth Warren, "White Indian".

Big Heep She Champion, for a Big Government Chief of ALL The People of ALL The Land :twisted: :twisted:

Claiming Minority Status may have gotten her consideration in hiring by Harvard. For 20 years SHE claimed this dubious MINORITY LABEL. This is not TRIVIAL. Dishonest and potentially INSTRUCTIVE, yes... Wake Up Dog!!

We all label each other, and OURSELVES. EW seems startlingly inaccurate to the common observer, or geneticist.

crux as seen from my Eye Zone :2cent:

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Then you seem incoherent, or simply ignorant?

Postby Coondog » 2012 May 13 17:21

Well......................it SEEMS that way BECAUSE.......

As a liberal, Keynesian, rationalist, I live in that SEPARATE REALITY, per the title of this topic.

The reality I inhabit has, it would appear, a completely different set of standards of decency than some who may, by association or similar mentality, live in yours:

http://kos.salsalabs.com/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=HBgH1mW%2FYAH8ZYv%2F2ZYzBz%2Ff95v10qsj

Coondog :nono:

Coondog! Once you see one, you'll never forget it!

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Re: A Separate Reality

Postby Coondog » 2012 May 21 15:59

Another Transmission from the parallel dimension.....please look to your right

I love my dog...

Please be advised I am sick and tired of receiving questions about my dog who mauled Six people wearing OBAMA tee shirts, Four folks wearing Nancy Pelosi tee shirts, Two Democrats, Nine teenagers with pants hanging below their rear ends, Three flag burners, and a Pakistani taxi driver.

FOR THE LAST TIME... THE DOG IS NOT FOR SALE !! !

I'M TRYING TO GET HIM TO QUIT SMOKING,

BUT HE SAYS IT HELPS GET THE BAD TASTE OUT OF HIS MOUTH!

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Re: A Separate Reality

Postby Sam » 2012 May 24 19:50

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Only in America could the people who believe in balancing the budget and sticking by the country's Constitution be thought of as
"extremists

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Re: A Separate Reality

Postby Wise One » 2012 Jul 11 17:13

10 Things Most Americans Don’t Know About America

1. Few People Are Impressed By Us
Unless you’re speaking with a real estate agent or a prostitute, chances are they’re not going to be excited that you’re American. It’s not some badge of honor we get to parade around. Yes, we had Steve Jobs and Thomas Edison, but unless you actually are Steve Jobs or Thomas Edison (which is unlikely) then most people around the world are simply not going to care. There are exceptions of course. And those exceptions are called English and Australian people. Whoopdie-fucking-doo.

As Americans, we’re brought up our entire lives being taught that we’re the best, we did everything first and that the rest of the world follows our lead. Not only is this not true, but people get irritated when you bring it to their country with you. So don’t.

2. Few People Hate Us
Despite the occasional eye-rolling, and complete inability to understand why anyone would vote for George W. Bush, people from other countries don’t hate us either. In fact — and I know this is a really sobering realization for us — most people in the world don’t really think about us or care about us. I know, that sounds absurd, especially with CNN and Fox News showing the same 20 angry Arab men on repeat for ten years straight. But unless we’re invading someone’s country or threatening to invade someone’s country (which is likely), then there’s a 99.99% chance they don’t care about us. Just like we rarely think about the people in Bolivia or Mongolia, most people don’t think about us much. They have jobs, kids, house payments — you know, those things called lives — to worry about. Kind of like us.

Americans tend to assume that the rest of the world either loves us or hates us (this is actually a good litmus test to tell if someone is conservative or liberal). The fact is, most people feel neither. Most people don’t think much about us.

Remember that immature girl in high school, who every little thing that happened to her meant that someone either hated her or was obsessed with her; who thought every teacher who ever gave her a bad grade was being totally unfair and everything good that happened to her was because of how amazing she was? Yeah, we’re that immature high school girl.

3. We Know Nothing About The Rest Of The World
For all of our talk about being global leaders and how everyone follows us, we don’t seem to know much about our supposed “followers.” Here were some brain-stumpers for me: the Vietnamese believe the Vietnam War was about China (not us), Hitler was primarily defeated by Russia (not us), Native Americans were wiped out by a plague (not us), and the American Revolution was “won” because the British cared more about beating France (not us). Notice a running theme here?

(Hint: It’s not all about us.)

We did not invent democracy. We didn’t even invent modern democracy. There were parliamentary systems in England and other parts of Europe over a hundred years before we created government. In a recent survey of young Americans, 63% could not find Iraq on a map (despite being at war with them), and 54% did not know Sudan was a country in Africa. Yet, somehow we’re positive that everyone else looks up to us.

4. We Are Poor At Expressing Gratitude And Affection
There’s a saying about English-speakers. We say “Go fuck yourself,” when we really mean “I like you,” and we say “I like you,” when we really mean “Go fuck yourself.”

Outside of getting shit-housed drunk and screaming “I LOVE YOU, MAN!”, open displays of affection in American culture are tepid and rare. Latin and some European cultures describe us as “cold” and “passionless” and for good reason. In our social lives we don’t say what we mean and we don’t mean what we say.

In our culture, appreciation and affection are implied rather than spoken outright. Two guy friends call each other names to reinforce their friendship; men and women tease and make fun of each other to imply interest. Feelings are almost never shared openly and freely. Consumer culture has cheapened our language of gratitude. Something like, “It’s so good to see you” is empty now because it’s expected and heard from everybody.

In dating, when I find a woman attractive, I almost always walk right up to her and tell her that a) I wanted to meet her, and b) she’s beautiful. In America, women usually get incredibly nervous and confused when I do this. They’ll make jokes to defuse the situation or sometimes ask me if I’m part of a TV show or something playing a prank. Even when they’re interested and go on dates with me, they get a bit disoriented when I’m so blunt with my interest. Whereas, in almost every other culture approaching women this way is met with a confident smile and a “Thank you.”

5. The Quality of Life For The Average American Is Not That Great
If you’re extremely talented or intelligent, the US is probably the best place in the world to live. The system is stacked heavily to allow people of talent and advantage to rise to the top quickly.

The problem with the US is that everyone thinks they are of talent and advantage. As John Steinbeck famously said, the problem with poor Americans is that “they don’t believe they’re poor, but rather temporarily embarrassed millionaires.” It’s this culture of self-delusion that allows America to continue to innovate and churn out new industry more than anyone else in the world. But this shared delusion also unfortunately keeps perpetuating large social inequalities and the quality of life for the average citizen lower than most other developed countries. It’s the price we pay to maintain our growth and economic dominance.

In my Guide to Wealth, I defined being wealthy as, “Having the freedom to maximize one’s life experiences.” In those terms, despite the average American having more material wealth than citizens of most other countries (more cars, bigger houses, nicer televisions), their overall quality of life suffers in my opinion. American people on average work more hours with less vacation, spend more time commuting every day, and are saddled with over $10,000 of debt. That’s a lot of time spent working and buying crap and little time or disposable income for relationships, activities or new experiences.

6. The Rest Of The World Is Not A Slum-Ridden Shithole Compared To Us
In 2010, I got into a taxi in Bangkok to take me to a new six-story cineplex. It was accessible by metro, but I chose a taxi instead. On the seat in front of me was a sign with a wifi password. Wait, what? I asked the driver if he had wifi in his taxi. He flashed a huge smile. The squat Thai man, with his pidgin English, explained that he had installed it himself. He then turned on his new sound system and disco lights. His taxi instantly became a cheesy nightclub on wheels… with free wifi.

If there’s one constant in my travels over the past three years, it has been that almost every place I’ve visited (especially in Asia and South America) is much nicer and safer than I expected it to be. Singapore is pristine. Hong Kong makes Manhattan look like a suburb. My neighborhood in Colombia is nicer than the one I lived in in Boston (and cheaper).

As Americans, we have this naïve assumption that people all over the world are struggling and way behind us. They’re not. Sweden and South Korea have more advanced high speed internet networks. Japan has the most advanced trains and transportation systems. Norwegians make more money. The biggest and most advanced plane in the world is flown out of Singapore. The tallest buildings in the world are now in Dubai and Shanghai. Meanwhile, the US has the highest incarceration rate in the world.

What’s so surprising about the world is how unsurprising most of it is. I spent a week with some local guys in Cambodia. You know what their biggest concerns were? Paying for school, getting to work on time, and what their friends were saying about them. In Brazil, people have debt problems, hate getting stuck in traffic and complain about their overbearing mothers. Every country thinks they have the worst drivers. Every country thinks their weather is unpredictable. The world becomes, err… predictable.

7. We’re Paranoid
Not only are we emotionally insecure as a culture, but I’ve come to realize how paranoid we are about our physical security. You don’t have to watch Fox News or CNN for more than 10 minutes to hear about how our drinking water is going to kill us, our neighbor is going to rape our children, some terrorist in Yemen is going to kill us because we didn’t torture him, Mexicans are going to kill us, or some virus from a bird is going to kill us. There’s a reason we have more guns than people.

In the US, security trumps everything, even liberty. We’re paranoid.

I’ve probably been to 10 countries now that friends and family back home told me explicitly not to go because someone was going to kill me, kidnap me, stab me, rob me, rape me, sell me into sex trade, give me HIV, or whatever else. None of that has happened. I’ve never been robbed and I’ve walked through some of the shittiest parts of Asia, Latin America and Eastern Europe.

In fact, the experience has been the opposite. In countries like Russia, Colombia or Guatemala, people were so friendly it actually scared me. Some stranger in a bar would invite me to his house for a bar-b-que with his family, a random person on the street would offer to show me around and give me directions to a store I was trying to find. My American instincts were always that, “Wait, this guy is going to try to rob me or kill me,” but they never did. They were just insanely friendly.

8. We’re Status-Obsessed And Seek Attention
I’ve noticed that the way we Americans communicate is usually designed to create a lot of attention and hype. Again, I think this is a product of our consumer culture: the belief that something isn’t worthwhile or important unless it’s perceived to be the best (BEST EVER!!!) or unless it gets a lot of attention (see: every reality-television show ever made).

This is why Americans have a peculiar habit of thinking everything is “totally awesome,” and even the most mundane activities were “the best thing ever!” It’s the unconscious drive we share for importance and significance, this unmentioned belief, socially beaten into us since birth that if we’re not the best at something, then we don’t matter.

We’re status-obsessed. Our culture is built around achievement, production and being exceptional. Therefore comparing ourselves and attempting to out-do one another has infiltrated our social relationships as well. Who can slam the most beers first? Who can get reservations at the best restaurant? Who knows the promoter to the club? Who dated a girl on the cheerleading squad? Socializing becomes objectified and turned into a competition. And if you’re not winning, the implication is that you are not important and no one will like you.

9. We Are Very Unhealthy
Unless you have cancer or something equally dire, the health care system in the US sucks. The World Health Organization ranked the US 37th in the world for health care, despite the fact that we spend the most per capita by a large margin.

The hospitals are nicer in Asia (with European-educated doctors and nurses) and cost a tenth as much. Something as routine as a vaccination costs multiple hundreds of dollars in the US and less than $10 in Colombia. And before you make fun of Colombian hospitals, Colombia is 28th in the world on that WHO list, nine spots higher than us.

A routine STD test that can run you over $200 in the US is free in many countries to anyone, citizen or not. My health insurance the past year? $65 a month. Why? Because I live outside of the US. An American guy I met living in Buenos Aires got knee surgery on his ACL that would have cost $10,000 in the US… for free.

But this isn’t really getting into the real problems of our health. Our food is killing us. I’m not going to go crazy with the details, but we eat chemically-laced crap because it’s cheaper and tastes better (profit, profit). Our portion sizes are absurd (more profit). And we’re by far the most prescribed nation in the world AND our drugs cost five to ten times more than they do even in Canada (ohhhhhhh, profit, you sexy bitch).

In terms of life expectancy, despite being the richest country in the world, we come in a paltry 38th. Right behind Cuba, Malta and the United Arab Emirates, and slightly ahead of Slovenia, Kuwait and Uruguay. Enjoy your Big Mac.

10. We Mistake Comfort For Happiness
The United States is a country built on the exaltation of economic growth and personal ingenuity. Small businesses and constant growth are celebrated and supported above all else — above affordable health care, above respectable education, above everything. Americans believe it’s your responsibility to take care of yourself and make something of yourself, not the state’s, not your community’s, not even your friend’s or family’s in some instances.

Comfort sells easier than happiness. Comfort is easy. It requires no effort and no work. Happiness takes effort. It requires being proactive, confronting fears, facing difficult situations, and having unpleasant conversations.

Comfort equals sales. We’ve been sold comfort for generations and for generations we bought: bigger houses, separated further and further out into the suburbs; bigger TV’s, more movies, and take-out. The American public is becoming docile and complacent. We’re obese and entitled. When we travel, we look for giant hotels that will insulate us and pamper us rather than for legitimate cultural experiences that may challenge our perspectives or help us grow as individuals.

Depression and anxiety disorders are soaring within the US. Our inability to confront anything unpleasant around us has not only created a national sense of entitlement, but it’s disconnected us from what actually drives happiness: relationships, unique experiences, feeling self-validated, achieving personal goals. It’s easier to watch a NASCAR race on television and tweet about it than to actually get out and try something new with a friend.

Unfortunately, a by-product of our massive commercial success is that we’re able to avoid the necessary emotional struggles of life in lieu of easy superficial pleasures.

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Throughout history, every dominant civilization eventually collapsed because it became TOO successful. What made it powerful and unique grows out of proportion and consumes its society. I think this is true for American society. We’re complacent, entitled and unhealthy. My generation is the first generation of Americans who will be worse off than their parents, economically, physically and emotionally. And this is not due to a lack of resources, to a lack of education or to a lack of ingenuity. It’s corruption and complacency. The corruption from the massive industries that control our government’s policies, and the fat complacency of the people to sit around and let it happen.

There are things I love about my country. I don’t hate the US and I still return to it a few times a year. But I think the greatest flaw of American culture is our blind self-absorption. In the past it only hurt other countries. But now it’s starting to hurt ourselves.
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Bain Capital Romney and Reality

Postby Crux » 2012 Jul 13 21:35

Wake up and watch Sununu tear up the Left spin machine:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/foolish ... -williams/

Does the Huffpo have this GEM?? Juan Williams... Sheesh.

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Re: A Separate Reality

Postby Wise One » 2012 Jul 28 14:08

The only way Republicans can win is to cheat.

So cheat they do, and cheat they will.
"If your only tool is a hammer, every problem looks like Donald Trump."

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Bought or stolen?

Postby Crux » 2012 Jul 28 19:05

You call me a fool? At WORSE there is great parity on spending in Federal Elections. Anyone who cares can look it up.

http://www.opensecrets.org/bigpicture/

This is total BS. The Dems are equally well funded by rich folks, special interests, pacs, etc... All the article by BLOW sets up is a lame whining excuse for why BO might get beat...

It's RACISM, it's THE KOCH brothers.... So much blather.

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Re: A Separate Reality

Postby fangz1956 » 2012 Sep 15 09:24

Why I Left the GOP

This is absolutely the best thing I've read in a long time.


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Ever looked at someone and thought "the wheel is turning but the hamster is dead"?

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I read it...

Postby Crux » 2012 Sep 15 23:00

Try this one: On QE3 helping the rich hurting the rest of us. QE3 is an admission that Obama's "strategy" hasn't worked.

http://reason.com/archives/2012/09/13/occupy-the-fed

They've given up on JOBS, and decided upon INFLATION. Truth hurts but there you have it. I might also add that Romney called Ben and BEGGED him not to do this, apparently... OH-BAH-MAH!!! Friend really of, who?

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Re: A Separate Reality

Postby Coondog » 2012 Sep 16 09:08

All this shows is that the republican efforts to stifle the ability of government to address issues of significant importance has worked.

So.....they managed to blackmail the Bush Tax Cuts into continuation, and, how has that helped? The beneficiaries are investing. In the Caymen Islands.

They managed to ignore their own mantra of jobs, jobs, jobs while concentrating on abortion, abortion, abortion.......and imaginary voter fraud.

They backed the Fed (who they detest, anyway) into a corner.

Live with it!

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Absolutely Uncertain...a film by a 23 year old...

Postby Crux » 2012 Sep 30 09:52

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... vMGLdc908#!

...Obama voter. Maybe not this year. This is a very good independent news piece by a young liberal, who sees the truth.

Obama is a dangerous man. Oh. Please go see 2016: Obama's America now at the State Theater in Lexington.

Reality is plain to see. Here, on Israel, the Middle East, and our foreign policy blundering about. Pay attention NOW. OK?

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Re: A Separate Reality

Postby Neck-aint-red » 2012 Sep 30 10:17

Tripe.

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Hardly a serious response.

Postby Crux » 2012 Sep 30 13:58

Hardly a serious response. The video "Absolutely Uncertain" is a very thoughtful critique of Obama's demeanor and stance towards Israel. Perhaps Neck doesn't care... That's of no consequence as he doesn't really question his support of the Democrat Party and Obama. He is just a really angry activist Schmookler type personality. Clearly bigoted and shallow. So be it.

The Producer and Narrator of the video is a 23 year old gal who has watched, grown, and matured these 4 years past and watched with dismay and concern a sometimes hapless, but ultimately dangerously enabling President, fumble Middle East policy and politics.

2016:Obama's America, in theaters NOW.

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It's only a movie

Postby Coondog » 2012 Sep 30 19:18

Taking a play from the republican playbook, I'll just call that movie goat tripe without even seeing it. How do I know? Because YOU like it.......and we know you hate those Hollywood Communist types. So, there must be something severely wrong with it.

I'm waiting for the Romney Movie. Love those Zombie films!

Obamaphones?

Coondog :shakeh:

Are these different from Reganophones or Bushophones distributed under the same program in effect for over 70 years?
Learn some history! Stop watching unscientific fiction! Form a drum circle!

Hello?

Anybody there?

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WORD CLOUDS

Postby Crux » 2012 Oct 05 07:23

...on Huffpo you can find the word clouds for both candidates from the debate:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/janet-har ... 38603.html

So, for Romney? PEOPLE :usa2:
...for Obama, a stunning, GOVERNOR... :hum:

Now clearly the cloud is flawed as seen here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=819q62ZM ... r_embedded

"UH" :shakeh:

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Five Months Ago.....

Postby Coondog » 2012 Oct 05 14:03

Back in May, I began this topic with the following statement:
I have come to to accept that the republican mind is irrevocably dissociated from the world of facts, rational thought and reality experienced by those of us who use our brains for something beyond sponge-like sopping up of noxious emissions and squeezing them back out. Inaccuracies, exaggerations, pettiness and blatant falsehoods be damned!

It's all well and good to analyze the presidential debate in abstract constructs like Word Clouds. I'm sure it has some meaning to somebody somewhere. And, I'm sure that had Obama utilized the responses I was screaming at him to use, the word cloud would have looked much different.

There have been a number of speculations as to why Obama failed to fire ranging from thin air to bad advice to an overall predilection to timidity.

I have my own theory:

What we witnessed was the President of the United States employing an almost super human restraint.....denying a well deserved urge to leap over the podium and choke the life out of a bombastic, two-faced, lying dirt bag.

Not presidential? No! But he would have gained the respect and approval of well over 51% of the country had he at least ripped Romney's forked tongue out with a rusty set of pliers.

In the final analysis, that disappointing visage was not the Obama we know and expected to see. But, that was certainly the deceitful, dis-likable Mitt Romney we know exists in the real world and who appeals to those like minded folks who put no premium on honesty.

If the next debate goes like that one, I may consider voting for Virgil Goode, but I'd never vote for Romney just because Obama let him get away with premeditated murder of the truth.

Coondog :confused:

Somewhat depressed, but getting over it!