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Re: NINTY NINE PERCENT

Postby Coondog » 2012 Mar 26 15:52

When it comes to a preference for one form of archaic, occult driven neanderthalism over another.........yep, NO FURTHER COMMENT.

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More Moral Equivelency from The Left

Postby Crux » 2012 Mar 26 18:24

Not surprising.

The VIEW of Violence, arrests, and general mayhem, when comparing The Tea Party and The Occupy Crowd, is telling.

There are four foul very public examples of Fecal Protest on the Occupy side. Plenty Broken Windows and Tear Gas too...

For the Tea Party, NONE of this. Too many see the Forest, and the TEA... Taxed Enough Already, on every level.

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Re: NINTY NINE PERCENT

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Re: NINTY NINE PERCENT

Postby Wise One » 2012 Apr 17 10:22

Here is a good source for facts, not ideological myth, about our tax system over the past 60 years.

My main quibble with the (accurate) numbers is that they fail to expose two important facts:
  • How much income is hidden from the charts because it is not "income" but is rather capital gains? Wealthy people have great latitude in shifting portfolios so that little "income" is generated, replacing it with "capital gains" taxed at a much lower rate. Poor people have no such latitude.
  • What are the tax rates on true total, unadjusted gross, income? This is important because, as the charts show, the wealthy are much more able to exploit tax exclusions and credits that "take money off the table" thereby making the rate look higher than it really is.
I'd love to see these charts plotted as fractions of TOTAL incomes from all sources, uncorrected and uncontaminated by all the tax fiddles in the code. They would show that the tilt toward the rich is larger, and is strangely hard to find.

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Good charts...

Postby Crux » 2012 Apr 18 07:50

Oh look. Rich Americans, and the upper 50% pay like, all the taxes. Was the chart for Federal Government Expenditures in there? It surely showed BIG GOVERNMENT on the move! Our ANNUAL DEFICITS for three years running under Dear Leader are BIGGER than the entire budgets of the early/mid '90s... Golly Gee. Obamacare hasn't even matured. Ain't Life Grand!

Unfunded Mandates for All. Let's all Bailout and Quantitatively Ease ourselves into the Second Term. NOT.

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Re: NINTY NINE PERCENT

Postby Wise One » 2012 Apr 18 09:57

Conservatives are obsessed with the fact, acknowledged by liberals, that the wealthy pay a large fraction of tax revenues collected. Fairness is totally unconnected to this fact.

ALL tax systems, fair and unfair, collect the largest fraction of tax revenue from the wealthy. The laws of arithmetic require it. This is Reality, an excruciatingly uncomfortable locale for conservatives so they avoid it.

A FAIR tax system does not tax wealthy people at a lower tax rate than the non-wealthy. Ours does.

But fairness is the very last thing a conservative will acknowledge or have any concern over, so this discussion is doomed always to go nowhere.
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Re: NINTY NINE PERCENT

Postby Coondog » 2012 Apr 18 12:17

Hearing a right winger complain about unfunded mandates makes me choke on my Alpo!

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War is an unfunded mandate!

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Conservative Independant Liberty Lover

Postby Crux » 2012 Apr 18 17:24

'dog? Here boy,

I am hardly a "right winger", and smart enough to appreciate the strength of the Tea Party conservative wing of the GOP, much like the much dwindled Liberty Loving wing of the Donkey Party.

Unfunded mandates are really the purview of the do good utopian progressive Democrat Party. This isn't rocket science here folks. The Dems outspend the GOP on just about everything, just about all the time.

Unfunded mandates as PROBLEM, lie larger at the feet of the Left.


Sorry. :dontknow:

Not to change the topic but look at what is Private sector versus Public sector. The left loves PRIVATE as long as it is abortion and drugs. I am nearly right there with you, if you have paid attention. The Right cherishes gun rights, and self defense beyond the Left, and I know some think BEYOND REASON. I can't help the unreasonable...

Take Capital Gains to go on a third rail. It's called Capitalism!! Private Sector Capitalism. I am a big fan.

Big Government one size fits all top down bureaucracy? NOT SO MUCH. :twisted:

Wake up and SMELL the ALPO, don't just SWALLOW IT!

That stuff, like HOT DOGS, eaten in great quantity, will shorten your life DOG. :usa2:

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Economic Reality

Postby Neck-aint-red » 2013 Mar 03 12:18

Here's a concise and clear video showing what economic reality is in the United States.


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Re: NINTY NINE PERCENT

Postby fangz1956 » 2013 Apr 28 11:35

Ever looked at someone and thought "the wheel is turning but the hamster is dead"?

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Re: NINTY NINE PERCENT

Postby Crux » 2013 Oct 29 21:29

This is a totally relevant insert after Fangst's "AUSTERITY" crap.

We are crazy, as voters and free people if we do not come to understand some basics, like, "unfunded Federal mandates". Estimated at what? I remember when it was like 65 TRILLION over the next generation (35 years). Then I remember it was more that 100 TRILLION then 110 TRILLION. So let's grapple with a new number...

126 TRILLION dollars of UNFUNDED FEDERAL MANDATES. This is what I mean by the SELL of the Democrat party, the party of Big Government, The Democratic Party (nod to Neck-hates); the SELL that is Pixie Dust and Unicorn Tusks and all the other PROGRAMS and grand good intentions.

126 TRILLION dollars is 1.1 MILLION dollars OWED OUT FRONT right now PER TAXPAYER.


http://rare.us/story/your-share-of-the- ... 1-million/

This doesn't mean JACK to most folks I know, but it should. Awaken We The People...
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Re: NINTY NINE PERCENT

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Re: NINTY NINE PERCENT

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Re: NINTY NINE PERCENT

Postby Coondog » 2013 Nov 08 15:46

You know......we could all probably agree that there is plenty of unwise government spending, unwarranted mandates, over duplication, waste, inequity, etc.

Ideology aside, some consensus might be reached if some people weren't so single mindedly hard headed as to insist that it's all the fault of liberals and democrats.

It gives one pause over whether to attempt to seriously converse with someone with such an intractable and intellectually dishonest point of view.

Therefore, frivolity might as well reign!

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Johnny come lately?

Postby Crux » 2013 Nov 08 18:11

You might actually have to go back to work to afford the social welfare state you helped create?

Look. OBVIOUSLY establishment Republicans have played the big government game.
If they don't they get pilloried by the Socialist Democrat Party as being uncaring or hard hearted.

coondog wrote:You know......we could all probably agree that there is plenty of unwise government spending, unwarranted mandates, over duplication, waste, inequity, etc.

Ideology aside, some consensus might be reached if some people weren't so single mindedly hard headed as to insist that it's all the fault of liberals and democrats.



Ideology aside, the Democratic Party IS the party of Government, in a way the GOP has always lagged behind in. Fact. If you come around later instead of sooner, that's a good thing 'dog.

I do DOUBT we will all agree anytime soon...

108 million in this country GET a Federal check. FACT
101 million in this country WORK a full time job. FACT

The statistics are atrocious. Obama is the biggest failure because he had SO MUCH to offer.

He blew it HARD.

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Re: NINTY NINE PERCENT

Postby Coondog » 2013 Nov 08 21:00

Balderdash!


There is no basis in fact for any of that claptrap. Saying it a lot doesn't make it true.

But, keep trying. So far you've managed convince yourself. That's one! And you know how fast a virus can spread. (barfing smily)

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Re: NINTY NINE PERCENT

Postby fangz1956 » 2013 Nov 09 07:33

Can the Million Mask March Turn Vendetta into Victory

I watched a large part of this march via LiveStream on the day it occurred......November 5. Yes, the media was conspicuous by its absence. Yes, Law enforcement in D.C. is pretty clueless about the "structure" of Anonymous. Yes.....this group marched and protested for 10 straight hours, worldwide.

I say kudos to these brave souls for their continued efforts to put an end to corruption and corporatocracy. They have another march planned in the early Spring to protest the MSM......and I will be watching that one too. I would be there but Atlanta is far trek when you have to work for a living.

Regardless of what you think, this is a very non-partisan group of people. They are not driven by by political party agendas......they are for the human agenda across the board.

Don't like 'em and want to snicker and sneer at them crux, cannoneer, & Kevsky???? Have at it.....doesn't matter. They are doing more for justice than you ever thought about doing. And, the politics of every person on this board is part of the global problem in the world today no matter how you cut it. We continue to support the status quo by being too chicken s*** to get a viable 3rd party off the ground. We take the safe route and continue to vote for the lesser of 2 evils which is still a vote for evil. I, for one, am so very tired of being told how to vote and that voting 3rd party harms our chances in the long run. To that, I say BULLS****!!!!!!!!!!!! Nothing will ever change for the better if we continue to support monied interests in politics, government for sale to the highest bidder, justice for sale to the highest bidder, and the continued and blatant erosion of civil liberties for the everyday joe trying to do the right thing. None of the current parties is the solution.......they are a huge part of the problem and will continue to be unless we buck up and support the protests of Anonymous, Greenpeace, Amnesty International, ACLU, Southern Poverty law Center and the multitude of other activist groups pushing to make a positive change, not just here, but globally as well.

Spin your wheels and get your knickers in knots fellas......I'll talk to you when you grow a spine and can see something outside of the BS being spewed to you from Inside the Beltway.

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OK then...

Postby Crux » 2013 Nov 09 18:18

coondog wrote:Balderdash!


There is no basis in fact for any of that claptrap. Saying it a lot doesn't make it true.


What part of what I have said is off. Balderdash. Wrong. Zero in and focus coon.

Let's follow the thread my friend.

This is not junior high 'dog. I responded in context. I addressed the points made and countered.
All you have done is whine. What did I say in my last post that is BALDERDASH or untrue?

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Re: NINTY NINE PERCENT

Postby fangz1956 » 2013 Nov 11 08:54

Trans-Pacific Partnership Free Trade Agreement is Death to Democracy

A great and informative piece about what is transpiring behind the veil of secrecy and its potential impact on the peoples of all nations who sign on.....including the United States. This is not a partisan issue at this juncture as both parties are culpable here. If this passes, it will be the true death nell for democracy and this Republic.

All I can say is "educate yourself and fight this tooth and nail".


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Re: NINTY NINE PERCENT

Postby fangz1956 » 2013 Nov 14 09:05

Ever looked at someone and thought "the wheel is turning but the hamster is dead"?