Planned Parenthood or the A word...

[Crux]

First Fangz equates ovaries with a limp penis, and abortion generally with the use of Viagra, NOW she seems to be equating the expulsion of sperm through masturbation with the abortion of a third trimester baby under apparently any and all desires on the part of the mother, a baby mature enough to live outside the womb.

So let's see. Sperm ejaculated during masturbation at an adult bookstore if we are to take her cartoon to heart, is DEATH and TAKING of LIFE that is the moral, and ethical EQUAL to the killing of a baby in the womb at say 24 weeks by the means of the insertion of poison through a needle directly into the heart, or the snipping or the spinal column of the baby with scissors...

Just WOW. It is that kind of day and Fangz really is just that kind of woman.

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I think Fangz and I speak well for ourselves. I mean the cartoon made my wife laugh, and she is a pro life kind of chick!
"Life begins at erection!!" was OUR reality, and deep blessing. I understand the points but has Fangz lost her center?

[Wise One]

An incapacity to recognize and appreciate satire, for example always interpreting cartoons literally, may suggest that one is missing a great deal in life.

[fangz1956]

[Crux]

Carlin AGAIN? Seen it... I don't need to watch Kinnison or Murphy from the 80s bash GAYS either.
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Fangz, how about a little CHOICE before CONCEPTION??? Can we champion THAT??
Can we as well foster a little additional personal responsibility once that baby hits, what, 20?, maybe 24 weeks???
Dang.
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AO, I just knew you would ride in on your white mule and come to the little lady's rescue...
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Fangz, is terminating a pregnancy in the third trimester, for the sake of choice and convenience alone acceptable?
Maybe you think it's small potatoes, I think they're small human beings who are being killed with poison and scissors.

Seriously, it might be a better world if you could rally for those unborn, just a bit. It is in your heart isn't it???

cruxnotyourenemy

[fangz1956]

Crux......I see you are still your usual myopic self.

[fangz1956]

[Crux]

Fangz, is terminating a pregnancy in the third trimester, for the sake of choice and convenience alone acceptable?

How about answering the question: Is it OK to protect unborn life, in principle, after say, 24 weeks?

Does this offend your sense of the righteous?

[Coondog]

It would be refreshing if some scientific retrospective concerning fetal development were interjected into this discussion.

Unfortunately, medical concerns are secondary to religious concerns. Hence we have nationwide conservative efforts which collectively seek to close clinics, mandate unnecessary proceedures, co-opt decisions of both doctors and women, mandate dissimination of false information and basically show the proponents of anti-abortion legislation to be the uneducated fools that they clearly are.

24 weeks may be an arbitrary time frame. Maybe it's too much.....maybe too little, under average circumstances. But, what abortion decision is average? Everyone and everyone's circumstances are different.

But, if we're going to delve into hypotheticals, at 30 weeks, must a malformed fetus with a life expectancy of a few months, never leaving the hospital and dependent upon millions of dollars in medical proceedures to insure those few months of agonized life experience.....must the law mandate that this pregnancy be carried to term?

If not, and all of the clinics are closed.......what options are there? Who makes that decision? Rick Perry?

Thanks to Fangz (and George Carlin) the reality is laid out quite accurately. People who really want to reduce abortions would logically embrace contraceptive methods as a means toward that end. The fact that they do not makes one wonder what, if anything outside of science fiction motivates them.

Coondog

Plan B works retroactively

Abstinance does not.

[Crux]

coondog fails again to say much
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Myopia and the Subtle(not so)

Fangz, is terminating a pregnancy in the third trimester, for the sake of choice and convenience alone acceptable?

How about answering the question: Is it OK to protect unborn life, in principle, after say, 24 weeks?

Does this offend your sense of the righteous?

I am pro contraception, pro choice before conception, and anti third trimester abortion unless there is some reason other than "I don't want to be a mommy or punished with a baby" kind of thinking. For coondog and Fangz apparently, this is just too much slippery slope camels nose under the tent kind of thinking. Euthanizing the unborn after 24 weeks is a small price to pay, for them, to protect abortion at all costs... I understand, but disagree.

Think about it...


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corn... I just knew you would ride in on your white mule and come to the little lady's rescue...
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I still wonder.

Fangz, is terminating a pregnancy in the third trimester, for the sake of choice and convenience alone acceptable?
Maybe you think it's small potatoes, I think they're small human beings who are being killed with poison and scissors.

Seriously, it might be a better world if you could rally for those unborn, just a bit. It is in your heart isn't it???

[fangz1956]

crux wrote:
Fangz, is terminating a pregnancy in the third trimester, for the sake of choice and convenience alone acceptable?
Maybe you think it's small potatoes, I think they're small human beings who are being killed with poison and scissors.

Crux,

I don't know of anyone who terminates a pregnancy at any stage of the game for convenience. It is never a decision that is entered into lightly and without a great deal of forethought. Decisions like this are driven by dire and desperate circumstances....and it is not a form of birth control after the fact as you seem to think it is. "How does she know this?", you are asking yourself. The answer is Been there, done that...and the circumstances were very dark and dire.

Now, you are basically clueless as to how the actual procedure is done. You are choosing to cling to false information perpetrated by a bunch of other clueless folks.

I suggest that you either support a woman's right to personal choice over her own body and health........or shut up until you get pregnant!

[fangz1956]

How do you like having the tables turned, crux???????

[Coondog]

Don't much think Nina Turner is being helpful by legitimizing, through legislative efforts, one stupid idea to make a point about another stupid idea. Those who have a brain may appreciate the irony. Those who don't..............well, it's a wasted effort!

What makes less sense is bestowing so much value on an undeveloped embryo when human life, in general, is held in so little regard. Just look around! Human life is cheap and misery is found in abundance.

Why some people are so invested in perpetuating other people's misery is mind boggling. They put one in mind of Michael Vick. Breed 'em so you can abuse 'em later.

Coondog

What about a country where superstition isn't churned into law and where education, awareness and community support serve to eliminate unwanted pregnancies? This does not have to be legislated, it just has to be practiced!
CD

[Crux]

So what we see here is both corndog and Fangz avoiding the issue, and answering the question.
We by now have concluded class, that they are not brave enough to speak to the truth...

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The truth is that a 24 week old baby in the womb is quite capable of living outside the womb.

The truth is that a 24 week old baby, when aborted is killed with a chemical poison delivered to the heart by a long needle.

The truth is that baby is aborted is by a D&E, or "partial birth abortion". The baby, it's head out beyond the dilated cervix,
the body still inside, has the spinal cord severed with a snip of some (sterile) scissors. So clean and efficient.

Fangz, to answer you, there are men and women of conscience who find late term abortions to be just plain wrong...

Sickening even. Erections? Ejaculations? These things are not analogous with late term abortion.


crux

[fangz1956]

Disagree Coondog. Sometimes, it takes a hairbrained idea to get the attention of the hairbrained.

[fangz1956]

Crux......You may think you own a conscience but you do not. You have ZERO right to govern a woman's right to choose what to do with her own body and ZERO right to be pressing your nose into those very personal decisions.

Sorry......but erections and ejaculations are analogous here. Without them, we wouldn't be having this conversation because preganancy would not exist.

Start thinkin' with your big head...that is what it is for. Now stop your hysterical ranting and raving about something with which you have ZERO personal experience. You are of the breed that wishes to keep women barefoot, pregnant, in the kitchen, subserviant to men....because you also wish to stop the availability of contraception for ALL women, ban sex education outside of abstinence and stop any kind of support to low income women who would need help raising a child. In case you haven't noticed, this is the 21st century...........not 1890.

Your stand on this makes no rational sense of any kind.......NONE. It makes about as much sense as perfume on a hog!!!

[Crux]

1. Crux......You may think you own a conscience but you do not.

2. You have ZERO right to govern a woman's right to choose what to do with her own body and ZERO right to be pressing your nose into those very personal decisions.

3. Sorry......but erections and ejaculations are analogous here. Without them, we wouldn't be having this conversation because pregnancy would not exist.

4. Start thinkin' with your big head...that is what it is for. Now stop your hysterical ranting and raving about something with which you have ZERO personal experience.

5. You are of the breed that wishes to keep women barefoot, pregnant, in the kitchen, subservient to men....because you also wish to stop the availability of contraception for ALL women, ban sex education outside of abstinence and stop any kind of support to low income women who would need help raising a child.

6. Your stand on this makes no rational sense of any kind.......NONE. It makes about as much sense as perfume on a hog!!!

1. This is silly. You have continued to avoid my question Fangz to the point of obvious distress.

2. Again you are missing the point. Myself and other PEOPLE of conscience, men AND WOMEN, find the use of third trimester abortion as a form of birth control to be abhorrent in and of itself. You continue to obfuscate...
3. Obfuscation. This is so really irrational and illogical. One could drive a truck through this hole. We are talking about the taking of human life, a baby. Fangz you will not answer the question and it is disturbing to me.

I am calling you to focus!!!

4. Actually I have very personal experience. I have children, am a father and husband. I and my wife have had children, all of them essentially unplanned pregnancies. This is my only wife and only children. I have made the hard decisions...

5. Everything here is false. (well except my wife wants you to know that she LOVED being pregnant every time and still LOVES being in the kitchen however she does draw the line with her RIGHT to wear shoes) My wife and I are pro choice before conception. Pro birth control. Pro sex education. Pro liberty. Pro child. Pro life. Pro social services. Pro marriage. Pro woman. Pro personal responsibility.

My wife by the way has multiple degrees, is a consummate professional, and is HOT!

Your PROJECTION is just plain ignorant.

You, if you would just slow down, or if you knew me, would know better than to fly about in such hysterics!!

6. I don't know about perfume on hogs, but look. I think the The Pill is a good and effective form of birth control. Love it. I think birth control in all its forms is fine and dandy. Love it. I champion a woman's choice to be a mother or not, a career woman or not, an artist or an executive or soldier or chef etc...
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I believe killing one's baby, the killing of A BABY, in the third trimester to be WRONG. This is very simple Fangz.
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You don't think it wrong, disturbing or a violation of anything ethical, moral, sacred, or reasonable. TOO wrong...
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Many countries, WOMEN, and men around the world agree with the notion that the SOCIETAL protection
of such a developed human being, to be the protection of individual human rights. LIFE, and LIBERTY.
The killing of these unique CHILDREN, these souls merely to avoid responsibility, or for convenience, is horrific.

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crux

[Wise One]

Sometimes, it takes a hairbrained idea to get the attention of the hairbrained.

Persnickety quibble of the day: it's "hare", as in rabbit of limited mental capabilities, not "hair."
With that guy, maybe a two-by-four up side o' the head would be more effective than one more goofy idea. Methinks his cranium is already crammed with a sufficiency of those.

[Coondog]

Myself and other PEOPLE of conscience, men AND WOMEN, find the use of third trimester abortion as a form of birth control to be abhorrent in and of itself.

Thanks to crux for narrowing the discussion to parameters we can agree on: the use of third trimester abortion as a form of birth control

Coondog would agree that abortion in the third trimester is undesirable and should be avoided if possible and should only be considered under dire circumstances.......not as a form of birth control.

However, Coondog disagrees with the idea that, in lieu of consultation between a pregnant woman and her doctor, these decisions be legislated by uneducated elected panderers who couldn't care less about the value of the life of a crack baby in Detroit.

Uneducated elected panderers operate within the continuing puritanical fear and loathing of sex ....primarily based on religious dogma and ingrained adherence to the supposed will of God as interpreted by those with vested interest in controlling groups of people.

Here's some things you should know about sex. People do it. Dawgs and cats do it. Chickens do it (awkwardly). It's natural behavior....nothing mystical about it.

When biological functions ensue, that's natural, too. No divine allocation to eggs or sperms or the product of their chance rendezvous. No wedding ceremony or gifts for the fertilized egg. No birthday cake, either!

Female eggs of any species are a natural occurrence. They are not individually produced by some outside spiritual entity with the sole intent of turning each and every one of them into full grown taxpayers. This is evidenced by, in the case of humans, a monthly allocation and the accompanying behavioral hysterics. Natural biological functions....nothing magic about it.

Lesson over!

Now, Coondog would prefer a perfect world where every pregnancy was planned. (Planned Parenthood, as it were) Abortions would not be needed or desired at any time by anyone. Sex and sin would no longer be synonymous in the minds of uneducated puritanical busybodies who would have to find other ways to satiate their desire for the power to control other peoples lives.

Ah! A perfect World!

Coondog

[Crux]

Myself and other PEOPLE of conscience, men AND WOMEN, find the use of third trimester abortion as a form of birth control to be abhorrent in and of itself.

Thanks to crux for narrowing the discussion to parameters we can agree on: the use of third trimester abortion as a form of birth control

Coondog would agree that abortion in the third trimester is undesirable and should be avoided if possible and should only be considered under dire circumstances.......not as a form of birth control.

Some people are dense like that... "...avoided if POSSIBLE..." Dang you are a tool.

It is what I have been saying. It is what legislators are trying to wrestle with. OUTLAWING LATE TERM ABORTIONS, exceptinforrapeincestandthelifeofthemother BECAUSE IT IS AN ABHORRENT ACT OF BIRTH CONTROL!!!!!!!!

Do you agree FANGZ???????????????????????????????
Is late term abortion as birth control ABHORRENT and are you fine with outlawing this horrible act?????????
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Where do you stand they wish to know...

Here's some HuffPo polling: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/1 ... 75551.html

59-30!!

This will soon be buried or forgotten...
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Here's some Planned Parenthood fumbling about the differences between Gosnell and Late Term Abortions: http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/cecile-richards-cant-explain-difference-between-gosnell-killings-and-elective-late-term-abortions_739241.html

amazing

[fangz1956]

Who has an abortion after 20 weeks?

Read it and weep, gentlemen. Are any of you parents? I am guessing maybe not since you don't seem to stop and consider all of the details and timelines involved in pregnancy. Another good reason why this is a very personal and private decision and should not be legislated or debated by hysterical old men and Republican women.