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Re: Planned Parenthood or the A word...

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Re: Planned Parenthood or the A word...

Postby Coondog » 2011 Feb 08 11:39

So.........what you're sayng is that the authority of the government to regulate activity also rightly extends to cover inaction or inactivity?

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Goonyisms...

Postby Crux » 2011 Feb 08 18:26

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Re: Planned Parenthood or the A word...

Postby 10thFO » 2011 Feb 09 03:03

I admire Crux for keeping up the good fight. A lot of the crap I have read i this thread is just your usual political posturing.

I grew up Republican, I still am. While in college I swayed democratic a little, at least on the abortion side, as I was told by an ex gf that she was pregnant. I found out later that she had lied, just to get back at me.

After I got married, and tried to have a child, (to no avail) I was heartbroken and though of all those that were taking abortion as their "given choice". It made me sad.

Then I tried In Vitro a couple of times. failure still. Finally I paid to adopt. I've never been happier.

Let me say this, I am more conservative than most on this board. But I also have the wisdom to see that there are no black and white answers. If you think there are, then you truly haven't experienced life and your time is coming.

I wish you all well in your life journey's, but honestly, a little more openmindedness would go a long way. That goes for both sides.

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Re: Planned Parenthood or the A word...

Postby Coondog » 2011 Feb 09 11:27

To10th: Welcome back to the fight!

Crux: I suppose I'm looking for some kind of philisophical consistency. It seems we can mandate military service, mandate motherhood and mandate proactive law enforcement by citizens, ....but we cannot mandate personal responsibility when it comes to health care?

To an extent, public education is also mandated. Should we be able to opt out? With no children in the public school system, should I be forced to support it with tax dollars? We already have plenty of categories which are mandated because they are considered necessary for the good of the country. Are they all unconstitutional except when it comes to sex?

Seems to me that a conservative approach....keeping government out or our private lives....would eschew mandates based on moral and social issues while embracing the concept of individual responsibility when it comes to the burdon of health care insurance. I just don't get it!

I know the military doesn't seem like a related issue as we currently have no active draft, but it is illustrative of the support for a mandate. There is a lot of patriotic chest thumping by conservatives about active troops, but not so much on support for veterans. Like the affinity for the unborn which ends at actual birth. Like the concern over actions (or inactions) of planned parenthood with respect to human traffiicking without apparent concern over human trafficking.

Planned Parenthood doesn't have a monopoly on allegedly "a culture of overlooking unethical even legal wrongdoing". If it's there.........and I don't believe that's been in any way proven........then fix what's wrong and leave the rest alone! If abortion is unpalatable, then positively support efforts such as education and availability of contraceptives to avoid unwanted pregnancies.

And on health care.....stop pretending to care about the individual mandate. It doesn't affect people who can afford and already have health insurance....it applies to those who can't afford it. You know......the ones you're not concerned about in the first place! It is merely, as I believe someone recently phrased it, political posturing.

I appeal for it, but expect no consistency from, people who preach deficit reduction while abiding a huge tax cut for people who don't need it.

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ProChoicePolitically...ProLifePersonally

Postby Crux » 2011 Feb 09 11:44

I would like to thank 'coonie for inspiring me to this Thread. Thank you also, to the part of the Left that has, through their "openmindedness", sat so firmly on the fence regarding Abortion at any and all costs... Those who support the "ends-justifies-the-means" institutionalized policies of PP are reaping what they have sown.

I tuned into Live Action because of this thread. Lila Rose started this organization as a Pro Life 15 year old in High School. She has carried the work onto the UCLA campus and beyond. Live Action has been documenting PP's duplicity for years, and is now really getting some mainstream recognition. What a supremely clear and brave bunch of YOUNG people.

PP is BOUND BY LAW to report underage prostitution. Lila would say, that the most powerless and voiceless are the unborn, and the victims of underage sexual slavery. PP is facing the flack of their own guns... So many of us have struggled through life, and continue that struggle for understanding, and wisdom. We are born into this life knowing nothing...

As adults we are duty bound in the guidance of our the youth, and shepherding that next generation to their own greater understanding. Ultimately they struggle like the rest of us and find their own ways. It is truly humbling to see these young folks making such a profound contribution to the process. This inspires reflection upon some of my own frivolous youth.

crux...

Maybe PP will mature... Openmindedness is not a destination, but rather a vehicle of discernment on the road to CHOICE.
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Re: Planned Parenthood or the A word...

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Planned Parenthood takes action...

Postby Crux » 2011 Feb 09 16:58

Sex trafficking of minors is a federal crime and punishable by imprisonment for 10 years to life. 18 U.S Code 1591

Any person who aids, abets, or counsels a federal crime may be punished as if they had committed the crime themselves. 18 U.S. Code 2

...because THEY got caught with their unethical pants down... YOU CAN"T BE SERIOUS? Why don't you watch the tapes and apply a little common sense... Laws of parental consent, truthful disclosures of support and guardianship, etc.
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Like I said...

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Re: Planned Parenthood or the A word...

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I have said my piece...

Postby Crux » 2011 Feb 10 18:25

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Republican War on Women ... etc.

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Cuffing/restaining/shackling...

Postby Crux » 2012 Mar 23 13:17

Prisoners of both genders are routinely restrained while being given medical services of all kinds.
The reason? The protection of all involved, including the public. Your "war on women" is a subjective mania.

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Re: Planned Parenthood or the A word...

Postby fangz1956 » 2012 Apr 02 08:00



There is still hope.......hope that the good doctors will seize upon their own form of protest against this and protect their patients.


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Postby Wise One » 2012 Apr 02 10:30

That's an excellent piece. It gives hope that this time civil disobedience among those at the socio/economic pinnacle (medical doctors) will spread like wildfire.

If it does, the cowardly ideologues behind this disgrace will crumble to dust. They always do when opposed by money and power.
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Re: Planned Parenthood or the A word...

Postby fangz1956 » 2012 Jun 03 08:41



Ahhhhh.........I can smell the burning rubber of the spinning wheels now!


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You were screwed...

Postby Crux » 2012 Oct 26 15:33

...and now you can receive a legal abortion in 10 days...

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Abortion protestors gone wild!

Postby Crux » 2013 Jul 03 10:09

It is crazy down there in Texas. The pro life crowd is singing Amazing Grace and they are being countered by the Pro Choice crowd with a "Satan Rules" chant!!! Just WOW.

"Abortion on demand NO exceptions!" just isn't the place many folks settle...


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Postby fangz1956 » 2013 Jul 03 17:01

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