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PP is up to it's elbows in ass-crackery...

Postby Crux » 2014 Jun 12 07:55

Planned Parenthood is being exposed again in a series of undercover videos being released by Live Action.

It is crap like this that has many folks demanding that our Federal Government stop funding this EFFORT.


http://plannedparenthoodexposed.com/

6 minutes of outrageous advice from a PP counselor given to a "15 year old" minor. OUCH!!! This isn't healthy...

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Re: Planned Parenthood or the A word...

Postby Coondog » 2014 Jun 12 12:53

So......we can assume that crux is not into whips and chains?

Too bad!

Leave Planned Parenthood alone. They're there to give you what you ask for.

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The enablers...

Postby Crux » 2015 Aug 12 11:18

Coondog wrote:
Leave Planned Parenthood alone. They're there to give you what you ask for.


Let doctors reach in and pull off arms and legs of 20 week old babies? You support that?

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Re: Planned Parenthood or the A word...

Postby Coondog » 2015 Aug 13 12:46

Crux wrote: Let doctors reach in and pull off arms and legs of 20 week old babies? You support that?

No....but it sounds like something out of a Mel Brooks Movie!

Do they just pull the arms and legs off and leave the rest to become somebody named Third Base or do they preserve fetal tissue to aid in research to cure cancer?

And.....why doctors? Surely republican politicians can do just as good a job of pulling off arms and legs.

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clown strikes again

Postby Crux » 2015 Aug 13 14:31

Coondog wrote:
Crux wrote: Let doctors reach in and pull off arms and legs of 20 week old babies? You support that?

No....

There you lied.
You have consistently supported ALL abortion.
You have never said that you were against D&E abortions in the late 2nd and 3rd trimesters.

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Re: Planned Parenthood or the A word...

Postby Coondog » 2015 Aug 13 15:20

Oh, crux, how your incredibly wrong statements have been missed around here.

Constant support of all abortions? Defy you to find one statement that corroborates that.

It is known that you believe that all abortions are simply a method form of birth control. Like all people who receive government assistance (except corporations) are freeloaders and how everybody, even a fetus, should be allowed to carry firearms.

But there is no ALL. People are different and do things for different reasons. Abortion is a woman's legal...repeat, legal choice. You don't like it? Then why don't you support doing something about it besides relegating that decision to a bunch of dirt bags in congress who know nothing about sex beyond taking a wide stance in airport restrooms?

Don't want to pay for abortions? Fine, pay for contraception, because you're sure not going to take any financial responsibility for that precious little life or that of the mother after it's born.

A delicate issue to be sure, but dealing in practicality makes more sense than all this hyperbolic political nonsense. Politicians have no morals. Leave the moralizing to the minions of religion.

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slippery as an eel or something much simpler

Postby Crux » 2015 Aug 13 15:43

Coondog wrote:Oh, crux, how your incredibly wrong statements have been missed around here.

Constant support of all abortions? Defy you to find one statement that corroborates that.

Abortion is a woman's legal...repeat, legal choice.


And there you go. You IMMEDIATELY have affirmed my assertion that you took issue with. YOU CONSISTENTLY support all abortion.


It's simply, LEGAL. ACTUALLY, the scotus has left open the door to States restricting late term abortions and as you know many states
are doing so.

So DO YOU SUPPORT legal restrictions to the CHOICE to abort (D&E/pulling arms and legs off) viable outside the womb healthy babies in the late 2nd and 3rd trimester?

You DON'T? :shakeh:

That is because you "consistently support all abortion". Just what I accurately said...

I don't know why you are so hesitant to simply accept your position and state it. :dontknow:

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Re: Planned Parenthood or the A word...

Postby Coondog » 2015 Aug 13 17:59

Concern yourself not what Coondog thinks. Concern yourself, instead, with each and every individual circumstance where abortion is either decided upon or contemplated.

While you're attempting to affect that decision process with unnecessary stress and expense and restrictive procedures which insure the passage of time which turns a 1st trimester into a second and third.....ask yourself whether this situation requires a licensed physician or a tea party tribunal.

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When do we protect that innocent; all of us must answer.

Postby Crux » 2015 Aug 13 18:36

It is not about a tea party tribunal. That is tribal small mindedness.

People of all demographics oppose D&E "abortions" or 20 plus week old "fetuses".

Now stay focused... :hammer: Slow down my friend and think critically...

Wholesale opposition is principled opposition. Every demographic group is represented. A great many champion protecting that human life.
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C.F. on target.

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Re: Planned Parenthood or the A word...

Postby Coondog » 2015 Sep 17 12:19

Nobody likes the idea of abortion. Period.

But, absent the political expediency of pandering to evangelists, it would scarcely be a topic of conversation.

What we need to hear from said panderers are practical ideas concerning early reproductive education (no later than the beginning of Middle School and including the use of and gratuitous availability of contraceptives).

But, accidents happen. Nothing is heard about the nurturing of the abortion decision process. No concern is voiced concerning a young, unmarried girl still in school with her whole life ahead of her finding herself knocked up with no means to support or care for an infant. Beyond Planned Parenthood, most of the programs that would lend financial, prenatal, and postnatal assistance are being slashed to provide funding for the biggest military force in the galaxy.

What about taking responsibility for the "precious human life" that the advocates of perpetual war find so sacrosanct? Could it be that these people, who couldn't distinguish between an embryo, a zygote and a fetus, don't really care about human life as much as they care about votes?

Is the idea of bringing an unwanted child into an already overcrowded environment and a community that already fails to provide basic sustenance to vast numbers of actual people beyond the age of one day really that noble lacking commitment to the development of that potential taxpayer?

Let us try to grasp the reality that every incident of abortion or contemplated abortion is unique to the individual. In many, if not all cases, the services of organizations like Planned Parenthood are essential in every respect. Defunding Planned Parenthood is like throwing out the baby with the bath water, as it were.

So let us not quibble about 19 weeks or 21 weeks. Let us quibble about whether closing clinics and criminalizing doctors and pregnant women and disbanding the EPA to pay for the Bureau of Pregnancy is an effective approach to the problem and whether this is really only about getting votes.

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Simply False

Postby Crux » 2015 Sep 17 20:50

Coondog wrote:Nobody likes the idea of abortion. Period.


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Postby Coondog » 2015 Sep 17 21:20

Speaking of simply false.......Spent the whole afternoon watching heavily edited planned parent videos per Fee-o-rino's suggestion and guess what! The horrific scene of a kicking fetus about to have it's brain removed wasn't in there. But.....she said she saw it! And it's not there!

Can it be that this woman who calls Hillary a liar at every opportunity has issues with honesty herself? Obviously! But, fortunately for her, lies like that don't matter in a republican primary. None of her constituency has the attention span to sit for hours looking at boring, poorly edited videos of fetuses NOT being chopped up and sold for profit.

Besides, it's not a matter of whether it's true.....it's a matter of how forcefully it is said. And Cruz says so, too! Sure sounds like it's true.....and so presidential!

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Question: Did you read beyond the first sentence or did the argumentative axion masses start firing as your preconceptions were initially challenged?

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Re: Planned Parenthood or the A word...

Postby Wise One » 2015 Sep 18 01:13

Coondog wrote:Speaking of simply false.......Spent the whole afternoon watching heavily edited planned parent videos per Fee-o-rino's suggestion and guess what! The horrific scene of a kicking fetus about to have it's brain removed wasn't in there. But.....she said she saw it! And it's not there!

And our favorite canine is not alone. Carly's lie was also debunked by Sara Kliff.

My congratulations go to both of you ... I did not have the patience to go through the video. But then neither did Carly ... like all Republicans she just repeated whatever trash talk the nearest right wing ideologue handed to her.

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Loving Progressive Men

Postby Crux » 2015 Sep 18 09:04

Aren't they sweet?

The inference is that no live babies are ever "delivered" as a result of abortion. This of course is not true...

Fiorina may have misspoke or got the videos/testimony/details jumbled. As well coondog NEVER watched all the videos.

We can focus on any given lie. coondog's we can not prove.

To suggest that babies are not aborted alive now and then would be either a lie, or simply a statement of ignorance.

AO and coondog, do you two believe that some number of babies are born alive, healthy, and are then killed?

Or not killed it would seem. https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/491-b ... a-statscan
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/artic ... wrong.html
http://www.c-span.org/video/?c4550283/a ... -committee

"Live Action found evidence of similar behavior in the U.S. Pregnant volunteers from the group took hidden cameras to various clinics in 2013. Pretending to want late-term abortions, the volunteers asked what happens when a baby survives. In multiple cases, the volunteers were told that surviving infants are either killed or left to die."

Kermitt Gosnell disagrees with you. :evil:

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Re: Planned Parenthood or the A word...

Postby Coondog » 2015 Sep 18 10:13

AO and coondog, do you two believe that some number of babies are born alive, healthy, and are then killed?


Have no idea. It IS believed that crux has a tendency to stray from the issue at hand. Avoidance by deflection, as it were.
But, what one believes is a poor substitution for knowing something.

Carly "misspoke" nothing. It was obvious that every word uttered throughout the debate was meticulously memorized ahead of time. Impressive? Yes, but that in itself renders the lie that much more heinous.

Again, does it make a difference to republican primary voters? No! They thrive on lies! What else do they have to offer?

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Todays Puzzle: If you could go back in time.....would you abort Hitler?

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For the two Clowns, from C.F. and crux

Postby Crux » 2015 Sep 24 00:38

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yhn0DdH8M-0

Two fine progressive caring civil loving so called liberal? :dontknow:

C.F. was RIGHT.

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Re: Planned Parenthood or the A word...

Postby Coondog » 2015 Sep 24 10:55

Lovely!

One supposes if you and C.F. saw a video of Jim Jones handing out Kool Ade to children with a voiceover of how benevolent and caring the man was, you two would have another hero to tout.

When you find a way to diminish abortion without eradicating women's health care and without deceptive tactics, you will be taken seriously.

Until then, you and C.F. will be perceived as hostages to the gullible and hyperbolic nonsense you embrace.

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Re: Planned Parenthood or the A word...

Postby Coondog » 2015 Sep 24 17:19

To finish a thought..........

You cannot abolish abortion by outlawing it, any more than you can abolish war, poverty, hunger, drugs or any thing else legislatively.......but they can all be combated and addressed as long as you are willing to make a commitment in terms of money and services and support to the issue.

Fake videos don't do a thing toward alleviating the situation. They only lend fodder for those who seek to gain by advocating criminalizing what is an inevitable factor of the human condition within the environment it finds itself. Giving lip service to the welfare of an entity for nine months of it's existence means less than nothing in the shadow of callous disregard for it's quality of life before, during and after it's initial development.

So.....at what point after nine months does it become an object of hate......when it fulfills it's self determination by becoming a liberal or a minority or a Moslem......or an expectant mother?

Coondog :banghead:

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Re: Planned Parenthood or the A word...

Postby Coondog » 2015 Sep 30 13:39

Learned something yesterday from the congressional inquisition on Planned Parenthood. (Wish the same could be said of the attendant republican contingency.)

The money received from the federal government by planned parenthood is in the form of reimbursement for services provided. Not grants or gifts or entitlements or any such nonsense as one might misconstrue from our elected conservative representatives in congress.

Repeat: Reimbursement for Services Provided

Federal law prohibits reimbursement to Planned Parenthood for pregnancy termination services. So.....the statements bandied about by republicans about tax payer money going for abortion are lies, lies, lies.

The descriptions of" chopping up baby parts and selling them on the market for profit" are also based on lies, lies, lies as thanks to the Reagan Administration, fetal cell research is perfectly legitimate. (same as being ordained by God) Being reimbursed for expenses of preserving tissue and transferring donated materials to research facilities is not the same as selling stolen beanie babies on e-bay for profit.

Calls on the House floor yesterday for the arrest, prosecution and imprisonment of people at planned parenthood and calling them criminals is simply more republican hyperbole based on lies, lies, lies.....and probably slanderous to boot.

This is what these people want to use to shut down the government. Lies, lies, lies!

One might ask whether republican voters care one whit about truth. The answer is, No! No! and F#(k, NO!

Coondog :knife: