Free Speech...protecting the Right

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Re: Free Speech...protecting the Right

Postby Crux » 2011 Jan 21 14:15

You say LIE, then you say, "nobody wants it". BS still. Those on the list DO, want it. i am aware that Durbin, and Obama have both RECENTLY said, they do not support it.

Flag burning is a disgusting little act in my opinion but hardly a crime and certainly not worthy of a Constitutional Amendment.

Illegal immigrants come to America for Liberty, jobs and opportunity, including raising families.

TO THIS DAY, a "certificate of live birth" in Hawaii IS NOT the same thing as a Birth Certificate.
(Incidentally a Birth Certificate has NEVER EVER been produced or found for Obama)

Death Panels...or simply Government deciding WHAT care and treatments you are entitled to... Krugman is on board.
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Add one to my List

Postby Wise One » 2011 Jan 26 16:41

Republicans have no interest in fighting to solve real problems. They are interested only in fighting imaginary problems of their own concoction – it's a helluva lot easier than real work. Examples:
  • Republicans trying to ban Sharia Law. No jurisdiction, to my knowledge, has even proposed instituting it let alone actually doing so.
  • Fairness Doctrine, nobody wants it.
  • Flag burning, the classic non-problem ... virtually nobody does it and banning it would be banning free expression
  • Anchor babies, the teensiest of problems, all credible assessments showing this is not the primary reason people come to he US
  • Birthers demanding ad nauseum more and more proof Obama was born where he was born, because he is half black.
  • Death Panels in Obamacare. They don't exist in Obamacare but they do exist in Republican Arizona.
  • What, no laws banning vampires and zombies yet? I'm confident Republicans will get around to it.

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Re: Free Speech...protecting the Right

Postby Wise One » 2011 Jan 26 17:51

crux wrote:Flag burning is a disgusting little act in my opinion but hardly a crime and certainly not worthy of a Constitutional Amendment.

You have transported me into a state of bliss. Finally, we have found a point of agreement!!

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Re: Free Speech...protecting the Right

Postby Crux » 2011 Jan 26 18:14

I said it TWICE if you look back... We have had many, points, of agreement. Your political COSMOLOGY is different...

By the way, there was something on the non-existent birth certificate today.

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Re: Free Speech...protecting the Right

Postby Wise One » 2011 Jan 26 18:23

I know cosmology. Cosmology is a friend of mine, and you crux, are no cosmologist.

Take your Big Bang to the NRA where Dark Matter exists in abundance, and leave us to dwell in a Steady State within our Inflationary Universe.

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Re: Free Speech...protecting the Right

Postby historyforall » 2011 Jan 27 15:11

The birth certificate argument is null and void, it is absolutely a race issue. There are many in rural areas and in the south who do not have an actual birth certificate because of the circumstances in where and when they were born. We also have had presidents already who we take the word of others as to if they were "really" born in this country. If it was not a race issue than the same people would also discount John McCain as not eligible either. He was not born in the US either. I am sure Alexander Hamilton would of made a decent president he at least earned a right to be considered for President but he knew that his not being born here would keep him from that office.
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Re: Free Speech...protecting the Right

Postby Coondog » 2011 Jan 27 16:32

Birth Certificates? Still?

This is the sort of idiocy that has soiled the political arena ever since Obama got nominated. So....why does it keep coming up in conversation? Because it's dishonest? Coondog thinks so. The only "proof" offered that Obama was born in Kenya was an obvious fake. The people who proffer fake evidence and continue to yowl about something they have no evidence of at all are simply being dishonest. Dishonest!

As far as I'm concerned, that many people banding together to promote a falsehood is a ........conspiracy. This conspiracy is simply a way of trying to avoid the fact that Obama was elcted in the first place. In 2008, their people were not elected. Now, when Republicans get elected for 2 years to a minor house of congress, they expect to be afforded all deference to thier self defined mandates.....supossedly respecting the "will of the people".

Obama was elected for 4 years to the highest office in the land by a lot more votes than any Republicans in the House of Representatives will ever see. Ever! Yet, where is the due respect for the will of the people who overwhelmingly chose Obama to lead? Rather than defer to the "will of the people", Republicans chose to attempt to invalidate the election results with this sort of nonsense on many levels......anything, including brash statements about tyrany....taking away our freedom, Obama's "hate" for and desire to destroy America and.........a ficticious birth certificate scandal.

This does not amount to honorable or honest acceptance of the "will of the people". To expect better for themselves, in light of their past and present performances is laughable. Let me explain how stupid the Republican agenda is:

The "will of the people" was not evident concerning abortion funding. But, that's where their priority lies. So....the people most offended by the presence of illegal aliens want to pass redundant legislation, above all other concerns, to insure that every illegal alien spanish speaking pregnancy will result in yet another spanish speaking member of an illegal alien family. Coondog asks, How Stupid is That?

They will have birth certificates and will be eligible to run.....heh, heh, heh! So maybe the ethnophobic fear of anchor babies by conservatives has some merit......at least to them. If so, the sanctioning of same seems a bit......stupid?

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coonie says, "...a minor house of congress"

Postby Crux » 2011 Jan 27 18:05

You can't be SERIOUS!! Tea'dog, surely you are a more serious observer than this...

Look Hi4all, this is not a "RAAAACE" issue. Obama was supposedly born in HAWAII!!
Not as some share croppers son in 1922 Mississippi! Don't be so obtuse.

Facts are funny. The only CERTIFICATE that has been produced is a "certificate of live birth". Do a little digging. The current Governor of Hawaii made a BIG DEAL about "putting this issue to rest". Guess what?

NO BIRTH CERTIFICATE HAS EVER BEEN PRODUCED because they can not find it or produce it.

It really is that simple. Is it significant? That is another issue...

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Re: Free Speech...protecting the Right

Postby Sam » 2011 Jan 28 06:16

Ok Coondog you seem to know what Republicans expect which blows my mind because you are so against them. Well Pal, let me tell you if those recently elected don't follow the peoples wishes they find themselves out of a job.
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Re: Free Speech...protecting the Right

Postby Coondog » 2011 Jan 28 14:07

Sam,

Since you're my uncle, I will divulge to you that I know exactly what Republicans expect. I keep my remote control tuned to that Republican Mecca, Fox News......and thanks to crux, I am blessed with the enlightenment provided by the conservative blogs from which all talking points derrive.

Well Pal, let me tell you if those recently elected don't follow the peoples wishes they find themselves out of a job.


Nonsense! That's what I just said. The Republicans only followed the wishes of a small, very vocal minority (who, it now appears even they don't agree with) in direct defiance of the expressed will of the people (2008)....and it turned out very well for them at the polls.

You see, we have representative government as opposed to a true democracy, because the the Founders knew what Coondog knows....and what Coondog knows is that the wishes of the people are self serving and the will of the people is the will of an uninformed mob. They knew that the populace was easily manipulated (they were good at it).....and they only had pamphlets. Would that they had forseen the advent of the internet. Perhaps the constitution would have had a provision for capital punishment for liars. What a fine and sparsely populated country we would have! And....smaller government!

And dawgs, in their bohemian adherance to freedom, beauty, truth and love would RULE THE WORLD!

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The Left...adroit at finding new pathways to free speech...

Postby Crux » 2011 Jan 30 10:02

Yup. Much is made about EXTREME RIGHT WING HATE SPEECH, by those on the left. Is there some extreme right wing hate speech? Well, as you know I think the term "hate speech" is a loaded selectively used political tool OF THE LEFT. Hate speech to the left is a concept only to be applied to the other side. Silly I know. But it is how too many think. Certainly I believe maybe perhaps MOST democrats don't fully buy into this, right?

It is really a sad little thing the obtuse blindness... Today the Giggler put up a piece of art depicting BO as an amalgamation of Muslim, Hitler and a Chinese Communist on the Hypocrisy thread.

I love so many of the threads here, as they reflect the LEFT leaning ideologies of the usual suspects. WO and his BANG! thread. Coonie's Welcome T Party torture thread, etc... This forum is kinda like a progressive mind meld, nearly.

So this thread is one of mine... I love IT!! Carry on Fellas... But do TRY to be OBJECTIVE. :director:

Here is a link to some of the wonderful "voices" of left wing love tolerance and free expression...in pictures!!
The world would be a better place if we just guided our children down these
PATHWAYS...

...NOT!!! :shakeh:

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(I mean...who'd of thought of something like scrotal inflation, and linked it to PEACE?) :twisted:
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Re: The Left...adroit at finding new pathways to free speech...

Postby Amy Probenski » 2011 Jan 30 11:26

crux wrote:The world would be a better place if we just guided our children down these PATHWAYS...

Cool! Let's organize one of these parades for downtown Lexington.

Not now. Too cold. In the warmer Spring time!

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FCC regulations on Private Press...

Postby Crux » 2011 Feb 04 17:32

...look at this story. Find anything offensive? Be a little bit wary of the PRINCIPLES involved... Government regulation, party nuetral, private free press, etc. Put different personalities into the roles. Perhaps instead of BO, maybe, GB, or instead of SOROS, say, well, pick a disdained ultra-conservative... http://bigjournalism.com/dloesch/2011/0 ... n-profits/
Amy Probenski wrote:Cool! Let's organize one of these parades for downtown Lexington. Not now. Too cold. In the warmer Spring time!

Will you inflate your scrotum? PUHLEEEZE!!! :love10:
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Re: Free Speech...protecting the Right

Postby Wise One » 2011 Feb 04 18:00

Blathering doctrinaire bullshit. Breitbart is a fathead.
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Oh mighty arbitor of all that is doctrinaire...

Postby Crux » 2011 Feb 04 21:25

So you see no problem with this kind of top down government interference with NBC news. That is the best most principled statement you can make on the matter, or did you not even deign to contemplate what is right in front of you....

Should I link to an NBC story, or a huffpo blurb? You like this top down stuff. You fail to see a problem here...

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Re: Free Speech...protecting the Right

Postby 10thFO » 2011 Feb 07 11:25

Sorry I haven't been around for the Jovial conversations.

Coondog, as for the "birth certificate" and it's just racist slant your spewing? Is this really different from Dubya's service record phenomenon? He said he served, his certificate said he served, others said he didn't.

I can't even remember who said this in the thread but it's all freaking politics. So lets get back to the jest of the issues, and leave the namecalling to the kids.

Both freaking sides.

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FYI

Postby Crux » 2011 Feb 18 14:59

...just so we can dispense with the spin... This video has the spin and the hypocrisy...just weeks after Tuscon, and the ridiculous spin then. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71gsnLfs ... r_embedded

Protected speech and the use of martial metaphor. No problem. Is it over the top, well, sure, a bit... Is it the Left who is the guilty party, sure. NP

Just don't pretend otherwise...

MORE graphic sexual political signs from these progressive minds... :surprised: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/wisc-pr ... s-anchors/

The absurdity and debased stupidity. The left is troubled.
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Re: Free Speech...protecting the Right

Postby Coondog » 2011 Feb 21 14:28

Well............while being much the left pawed socialist radical canine I am purported to be, I would partake in condemnation of the usage of such blathering idiocy.......if that's what we're doing.

These types of comparison, (no matter how apt) are not productive. If these are leftist socialists, consider them admonished by a leftist socialist.

This, by the way, legitimizes my condemnation of similar practices by the right. I do notice one difference. The rude slogans in Wisconsin appear to be crudely scrawled by whatever small mind concieved them as opposed to being professionally mass produced by small minded corporate interests. Just an observation!

Coondog :nono: Chose a proper villian..........

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Blame Shifting

Postby Crux » 2011 Feb 21 15:12

coondog wrote: I do notice one difference. The rude slogans in Wisconsin appear to be crudely scrawled by whatever small mind concieved them as opposed to being professionally mass produced by small minded corporate interests. Just an observation!



Blame shifting...

I see protest after protest by the Left FULL of Union Printed placards... They were well evident in Wisconsin.

Please show me the most recent example of signs "professionally mass produced by small minded corporate interests".

...shouldn't be hard. :hmm:

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NEXT DAY ... still silence. Here is a snippet from an article about violent rhetoric from a D(EMO) Representative:

It should shock no one that Democrats in Massachusetts were leading a rally for union members, but the language from one elected official slid into questionable territory as Congressman Capuano told the cheering crowd:

“I’m proud to be here with people who understand that it’s more than just sending an email to get you going. Every once and awhile you need to get out on the streets and get a little bloody when necessary.”

The local paper added this chilling observation:

The crowd cheered and hooted for each Congressman as they spoke – the tougher the talk, the louder the reception.

Whipping up violence? :naughty: I called the office of BIG MIKE. They said his comments were "unscripted" and "poorly chosen" but were unable to confirm that he had apologized. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Free Speech...protecting the Right

Postby Sam » 2011 Feb 24 13:12

What did that lawmaker say......"there would be blood in the streets" Well folks a good example of free speech or fear mongering.

No wait a minute, I think he was being passionate..........
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