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Re: Holidays and Celebrations

Postby Crux » 2013 Feb 20 12:00

Wise One wrote:Happy New Year to my fellow Forum participants. May it be a good one for all.

I appreciate the educational dialog here and have learned from all of you, even including that sometimes odd fellow Crux. I am grateful to him for so obligingly presenting fat targets to shoot at, thus making this a more interesting place than it would otherwise be.

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AwWW!!! AO, I missed that... Thanks big guy. You present quite the large target too my friend. Having a good winter?

You are such a sweetie I might call you wo for a while, less'n you act up... :tiphat:

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Re: Holidays and Celebrations

Postby fangz1956 » 2013 Jun 30 06:17

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YES!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is something to celebrate. At last, a step forward into the light of humanity.




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Re: Holidays and Celebrations

Postby fangz1956 » 2013 Aug 26 13:05

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Re: Holidays and Celebrations

Postby fangz1956 » 2013 Oct 31 06:47

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Happy Halloween, everyone!! Watch out for things that go bump in the night.




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Re: Holidays and Celebrations

Postby fangz1956 » 2013 Dec 02 11:26

10 Things You Might Not Know About Christmas


Interesting reading....and I can hear the Bible thumpers screaming "Blasphemy!" now.


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"Bible Thumpers" is it now. Sweet.

Postby Crux » 2013 Dec 02 11:51

Bible Thumpers? There are many, but I know really well A LOT of Christians. Christians are a pretty normal and tolerant lot. Most even believe in EVOLUTION. The OLD EARTH. Value SCIENCE. Most all Christians even erect CHRISTMAS TREES!!

There has been a reformation after all. The world DESPERATELY needs a reformation within Islam in these days. Maybe coondogs happy joy at the Iran deal will bear fruit. Maybe IRAN is experiencing a reformation towards tolerance. No???

Merry Christmas. You don't hear bible thumpers yelling "blasphemy". You hear the echos of your own spiritual discontent.

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Re: Holidays and Celebrations

Postby Coondog » 2013 Dec 02 12:51

Iran......

Now, there's an example of what ultra right wing conservatism coupled with deep seeded fanatic religious ideology does to a country where the majority of the people themselves are of a progressive, intellectual and rational nature.

But, we not need look that far from home for such examples, eh?

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Tut Tut you self avowed progressive socialist...

Postby Crux » 2013 Dec 02 16:53

You are no master of analogy are you 'dog. It's funny, to the progressive, Iranian Theocracy is "right wing conservatism". Naziism is "right wing conservatism". Fascism is "right wing conservatism". Of course, all three sentiments are wrong in historical context as well as analogous to what "right wing conservatism" is in the holistic American experience.

Now you ARE Master of overly broad platitudinous statements of ideological ATTACK, I will give you that...

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Re: Holidays and Celebrations

Postby Coondog » 2013 Dec 02 17:39

Wow!

That took a while. You take a break from monitoring the Forum to push some little old ladies in wheel chairs out into oncoming traffic, or somethin'?

But, you know, Coondog does agree that utilization of the term conservatism in such a way is unfair to those conservatives who are less than hard core zealots. Few as there might be these days. How does "right wing fundamentalist radicals" sound? Sounds about right, eh?

But, let's not let them spoil our Christmas. Peace on Earth and Good Will toward all? The season of giving? All that leftist stuff!

If all that free market greed, from Black Friday to the annual December 26th "return that ugly sweater" day, puts smiles on the faces of excitable young pups..........well, have a merry, merry Christmas.

Coondog :pompom:

And a hippy new year..........man!

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Hippies and leftists bigots need to get a clue...

Postby Crux » 2013 Dec 02 19:59

coondog wrote:
But, let's not let them spoil our Christmas. Peace on Earth and Good Will toward all? The season of giving? [i]All that leftist stuff! [/i] And a hippy new year..........man!


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/opini ... .html?_r=0

Now before you go tho the link, I ask you to note a few things.


First the hoops the author travels through to bash conservatives and religious conservatives...
Second, the fact that multiple reliable sources of study paint an uncomfortable picture for the leftist.
Thirdly I ask you to read this CAREFULLY. This bias and hate towards all things "ultra right wing conservative" so to speak boggle the mind!! Read carefully. If you wish to "cherry pick" don't be tempted.

GO TO THE ORIGINAL SOURCE studies and work past the authors bias. In other words, do the seemingly IMPOSSIBLE!!
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I have plowed this row in Christmas' Past. I remember these truths ALL YEAR LONG. I know this reality first hand, locally.

Do not be content to be a hater, a bigot and a CLOWN... Certainly don't content yourself with progressive socialism and BIG GOVERNMENT control. Think GLOBALLY and act locally. CHAMPION pro choice LIBERTY. Mostly, don't be a DUNCE...

...and grow up. MATURE....dude.

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Re: Holidays and Celebrations

Postby Coondog » 2013 Dec 03 15:27

Ah!

Crux! Your cryptic messages are a joy to attempt to decipher. Like Capt'n Billy's Whiz-Bang Guess the Song Puzzle, Coondog can decode them about one out of a dozen times. Both afford nothing, or less, in the way of "see page 35 for solution".

Not sure what the commentary on the link means, but the linked article seems to provide a general indication that conservatives donate more money than liberals, some specifics that support the rule and some specifics that don't.

It would not surprise anyone to find that the group of people with the most money, as a rule, donate more money......especially if donating to "social welfare" super PACs counts.

But, As important as who you donate to is the reason for giving. There is a difference between truly benevolent acts of kindness and off-setting tax liability through charitable investment.

There is, similarly, a difference between tithing because of a reverence for one's belief and tithing for the purpose of self promotion and social enhancement.

These surveys with their statistical analysis and resulting conclusions fail to account for the content of the donor's heart. So it is suspected that the linked article serves little more purpose than using up ink and filling up space.

Coondog :tiphat:

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That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more: it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

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Not suprised in the least.

Postby Crux » 2013 Dec 03 18:01

Nope you really did not try too hard to read the article or delve into the studies.

I figured you couldn't... It would upset your bias and threaten your bigotries...

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Re: Holidays and Celebrations

Postby Coondog » 2013 Dec 04 10:33

Oh.....well.....thanks for clearing that up!

So concise!

So profound!

As full of substance as a Missouri Mule passing gas!

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Re: Holidays and Celebrations

Postby Stonewall » 2013 Dec 25 08:50

The "war on Christmas" battlefield seems relatively quiet today. I guess that means one side won. But which side?

So happy best of the season to you ... go forth and share joy, happiness, generosity, and kindness to all.

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Push back....

Postby Crux » 2013 Dec 25 17:49

Since 1973, U.S. House rules made it an ethics violation for any official congressional communications to contain the phrase “Merry Christmas.”
This month, after battling the system for the more than two years since he took office in 2011, Huelskamp was able to get the House to determine it will not consider use of the phrase “Merry Christmas” an ethics violation.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government ... -violation

“Amazingly since 1973, the U.S. House of Representatives has forbidden the use of ‘Merry Christmas’ and deemed use of such words in any official mailing or e-mail an ethics violation,” Huelskamp said. “Instead, they demanded the use of ‘Happy Holidays.’ This month, the House Franking Commission accepted the position I have fought for since arriving in Congress—ignore the PC Police and let us use ‘Merry Christmas.’”

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Re: Holidays and Celebrations

Postby Wise One » 2013 Dec 25 21:04

And so the conservative whine continues, dependably amplified by our resident ultraright propagandist Crux.

Don't listen to the bullshit. Here's what really happened.

In a reform meant to to save tax dollars and quell waste, the Congress set a rule for itself forbidding the mailing of ANY greeting cards, whether they be called Holiday greetings, or Christmas greetings, or Chanukah greetings, or anything else. They concluded, reasonably and responsibly, that sending cards at taxpayers expense was a waste of our money. If congressmen want to send greeting cards, they're free to use their personal funds, not public funds. Good for them, I'm thankful for the rule, and Fox News said so itself before they realized their praise undercut their insane "War on Christmas" campaign.

Seeing an opportunity to make a mountain of lies and distortion out of nothing, Republican asshole Huelskamp waged war against a figment of his imagination. Victory was easily won over so insubstantial a foe.

What is unclear is whether anything at all really happened, or if it's just hot air from his press release. Did he really succeed in revoking a rule against wasting tax funds on holiday greeting cards? Is this yet another case of a faux "deficit hawk" doing the direct opposite of reducing wasteful government spending?

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Ultra Right Wing Propagandist...

Postby Crux » 2013 Dec 26 10:01

That's Funny! Over the years I have been called everything Left to Right, and continue to, depending on the perspective or the labeler... Whatever.

AO, do you get cranky when you drink too much wine? It was a toss up between black Santa getting shot with a pellet gun, the army officer rejecting children's greeting cards to soldiers if they said merry Christmas, or this story.

I am all for our reps mailing Christmas cards out of their own private funds or from their bloated office budgets. So your "bullshit" and "asshole" language aside, you are saying there was NOT ethic guidance established against the use of the words "merry Christmas"?

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Re: Holidays and Celebrations

Postby Coondog » 2013 Dec 26 12:01

This is another stupid argument designed to appeal to the sensitivity of the simple minded.

It is all well and good that congressmen (and women) send out Christmas cards on the public dole just as it is all well and good they promulgate the most blatant lies via the same venue. However, when some Muslim representative sends out Joyful Ramadan cards, there is likely to be a howling of monumental proportions about how tax dollars are being spent.....by the same people descrying a War on Christmas over this same issue.

Either we all send out cards, or we all don't. Either we pile up public areas with all manner of religious iconery or we don't. We teach comparative religion in schools or we stick to spelling and math.

When it comes to mixing government and religion, there is no middle ground.

There! An issue that allows for no shades of gray! All or nothing. Black and White!

Coondog :angel5:

And a happy birthday to the baby Jesus!

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Re: Ultra Right Wing Propagandist...

Postby Wise One » 2013 Dec 26 13:29

Crux wrote:... you are saying there was NOT ethic guidance established against the use of the words "merry Christmas"?

The story suggests that using public funds to send ANY sort of holiday card, whether it be Chanukah, or Christmas, or Kwanza, or Holiday, is forbidden by the rules.

However the rules also allowed for OTHER communications (those with something else as their primary purpose like summarizing legislation, budgets, updates for constituents about the congressman's public duties) incidentally to include generic good wishes. The rules don't allow for heavy-handed use of public funds promoting one and only one religion's celebration.

Sounds reasonable to me.

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Victory over "GENERIC GOOD WISHES"...

Postby Crux » 2013 Dec 27 09:50

Sounds like AO agrees with the reporting and the assertion that Ethics Rules had it as a violation for Congressmen and Congresswomen to use the words, "MERRY CHRISTMAS" in any mailings.

Wise One wrote:However the rules also allowed for OTHER communications (those with something else as their primary purpose like summarizing legislation, budgets, updates for constituents about the congressman's public duties) incidentally to include generic good wishes. The rules don't allow for heavy-handed use of public funds promoting one and only one religion's celebration.

Sounds reasonable to me.
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It does not sound reasonable that a Representative can not for example send out a "summary of legislation or budgets" or "updates for constituents" 'round about the Holiday Season, and sign the letter, "Merry Christmas, Such and Such a Name".

This is what was reported, what I brought to attention, what the "asshole" congressman fought against, and what was OVERTURNED in the House.
It was not "bullshit". AO has been shown to be full of bluster...

...and crux was right again.

I wish Stonewall would curb your use of swear words on the Forum.

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I will concede that rules can be stretched, like the Admin's guidance on this Forum for congenial behavior. If a Representative sends out quarterly reports say, and one is due in December say, and we are talking about America say, it is totally OK for Keith Ellison (D) to CHOOSE to Freely say, بارك الله فيك.

That's Arabic for "God Bless You". Now, he might alienate many constituents, and it might be in poor taste given culture, history, etc. but still... My Lord, he was sworn into Congress with his hand on the Koran, wasn't he??