Governor McDumbell

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So funny. Here's another one.

Postby Crux » 2011 Jan 30 11:31

This is a fine example of what passed on this forum for open civil discourse where all sides were free to chime in and were represented. Loverockbridge I know has but few posts, and wishes me to know that I am somehow unfairly or unfriendly in my domination of the speech zone. Oh, and I use too many capitals and mean spirited bold italics... Give me a break. Look at another fine progressive mind meld right here. Well, except for History4all's able point early on regarding teacher's unions.
He was ignored. States face a 6 trillion dollar shortfall when it comes to paying for public sector union retirement pension and health benefits. Virginia is a state too you know. Trillion, is a very big number. All I read here is lovely little bitter jabs about governor McDumbell. You guys are, and I will say it, obtuse. Where do you think all these tax dollars come from? Planet Zeeba? Free Clinics are not free. We spend vast amounts on educational utopias for ever decreasing results. Wishful d(emo)cratic good intentions are never to be assaulted. Just pour more money into the problem. There is never enough. Taxes are never adequate. Personal responsibility is a trite little hateful right wing concept that the left downplays in favor of more and more "GOVERNMENT INNOVATION".

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Re: Governor McDumbell

Postby Coondog » 2012 Feb 28 11:01

I wonder....................

How many people who voted for this guy knew who he REALLY is?

http://debsnews.com/maddow/Nkvfyk5K42g3RVee

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Re: Governor McDumbell

Postby Buck Turgidson » 2012 Feb 29 13:08

Thanks, CD.

Rachel's piece on McDumbell is amazing. I knew he was bad but didn't quite realize until now that he is this bad. The only thing good about him is that I'm fairly confident that anybody who puts him on a national ticket will see votes evaporate big time, so maybe he's a good choice if your objective is to keep the present flock of Republican turkeys out of the White House.

Hey, did you notice that basically all the "conservative" participants here on the Forum have put tail between legs and slunk off? While I consider some of them to be more mindless radical reactionaries than thoughtful conservatives, it is always nice to see and participate in debate over public issues. I've come to the sad realization that many of that ilk are really bullies at heart, delighted to pick on people cruelly and anonymously but unable to withstand either the light of day or reasoned resistance to their propaganda. Cowards run, and cowards is what they are.

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Re: Governor McDumbell

Postby Coondog » 2012 Mar 01 12:19

Conservatives.............the kind of conservatives who take the time to express their opinions on forums such as this don't, as a rule, last too long. After the initial thrill of agitating folks by re-posting inflamatory jibberish from right wing blogs, they seem to become weary of reasoned and logical backlash in the form of facts and just fade away like a Pat Robertson for President sticker on the back of an old Pontiac.

One might suppose the more rabid adherants gravitate to web sites like Red State where their misrepresentations, malicious demonizations and hateful rhetoric might receive the the type of reinforcement they thrive on. The few less unreasonable conservatives encountered in the past appear to be somewhat thin-skinned when challenged and take averything as a personal attack.

I guess when rationality threatens strongly held personal world views cultivated on misconceptions, it's easier to turn off the old receptors and go surf e-bay. Faith based reality!

I kind of miss 'em........but, attempting to enlighten them is like...... :banghead:

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Conservative blogger Andrew Breitbart dies at 43

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Re: Governor McDumbell

Postby Wise One » 2012 Mar 01 12:45

You could not have hit the nail more squarely.

It stuns us to see that a pooch can use a hammer at all, let alone with such unerring accuracy.

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Re: Governor McDumbell

Postby Neck-aint-red » 2012 Mar 02 12:12

coondog wrote:Conservative blogger Andrew Breitbart dies at 43

About a millisecond later the crazies started with this stuff.

Seems to me, a more plausible explanation is that he who lives by "red meat" may die early from its health effects!

PS. Here's a kind of obituary you don't see every day.

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Dumbells Abound

Postby Crux » 2012 Mar 02 19:22

Buck Turgidson wrote:
Hey, did you notice that basically all the "conservative" participants here on the Forum have put tail between legs and slunk off?

Actually what you have seen is Republican Politicians moderating on the issue, THANKS surely in part to constituent feedback from Tea Party Conservatives and Conservative Independents.

Even PP guidance is for pre abortion ultra sound as an aspect to proper care for the expectant mother.
It got a little heated but all is well enough so relax Buck and have an aspririn, or a free condom from any number of sources and just relaxxxx... Your Choice.

Don't get your Abortion On Demand ire all up just because you can not just materialize Utopia. Some folks would like to take BO's insincere words to heart, to make "abortion rare" by being sure to really inform the pregnant woman who holds a unique individual human fetus/child/infant in her womb, being nurtured by the Creator's most beautiful design, the Woman.

To your assertion, there are few, it is true, who can stand for long the silliness of the so called progressive.
No great mystery. :cool: With these three gifts I bid this fanciful farce fare-thee-well... :tiphat:

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Re: Governor McDumbell

Postby fangz1956 » 2012 Apr 16 12:54

ALEC in Virginia

Closest forum to add this to. Send a letter, e-mail, fax, phone...it's time well spent.


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Re: Governor McDumbell

Postby Amy Probenski » 2012 Apr 18 10:31

This group has had a terrible effect on government and must be stopped.

There's a sliver of good news in the press lately. Let's keep up the pressure.

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Postby Coondog » 2012 Apr 18 12:13

Our astute Governor was on Chuck Todd this morning. He was asked a number of questions and answered none of them.

This guy would make a PERFECT running mate for Mitt.

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"Meeting Corporate Lobbyists behind Closed Doors"

Postby Crux » 2012 Apr 18 19:38

OOOOOOOO Shiver me timbers Matey. What about the Pirate King Barrack and Lord Immelt and all the other Princes of Capitalism. Keep up the pressure? :dontknow: Eschew Big Government when wielded by Progressives ONCE in a while PLEASE???

"Closed Doors" :crab: Give me a break. You guys act as if The Donkey isn't an ass or something... :coffee:

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"General Assembly HB 10, which rejected a Federal Health Insurance Mandate, was BAAAAHHHD" (para) :laughing:

PROGRESS VA & "governor McDumbBell" :laughing: The go to cop out of the left. "He's sssTUUUpid".

It would be part of the chant "Racist Sexist Anti-Gay" if it rhymed... ..."(fill in the blank GOP) is DUMMMMB"

:baby: :baby: :baby: You DISAGREE for cripes sakes. Don't STOOP to "Governor MCDUBBELL"!!! :pat:
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Re: Governor McDumbell

Postby Coondog » 2013 Jan 03 16:26

Virginia's most prominent and stupifying product of Jerry Fallwell's legacy has returned to nurturing his overwhelming obsession with vaginas.

One can only assume that this Ken Doll....this stiff, plastic representation of ultra-conservative fundamentalism lacks, as does Barbie's empty headed counterpart, both an affinity for real people and male genitalia.

His sidekick (whos name is maybe not so ironically Ken) is stamped from the same mold. You can dress them up, but they're still little more than lifeless manifestations without feelings generally associated with human souls.......just like the strong arm political hacks who make them slither and hiss to the tune of right wing think tanks and 13th century Thomas Road televangical dogma.

Bob McDonnell Quietly Certifies Revised Abortion Clinic Regulations

Gov. Bob McDonnell has certified health regulations that impose strict hospital construction standards on Virginia abortion clinics -- triggering the next step in a multitiered approval process that could make the revised rules permanent by this summer.

Unlike the public relations ballyhoo that accompanies many executive actions, McDonnell, an anti-abortion Republican, certified the regulations and had them posted to the Virginia Town Hall website without a public announcement on the Friday between the Christmas and New Year's holidays.

The signoff comes more than three months after the rules were adopted in September by the state Board of Health at a contentious meeting during which abortion-rights advocates claimed board members were being intimidated into changing their decision in June to grandfather existing clinics from the building requirements.

Members of abortion-rights advocacy groups reacted strongly to the governor's approval in statements released Monday.
"After two years of shocking backroom deals and bullying public health servants, Gov. Bob McDonnell is clearly proving his disregard of Virginians' opinions about women's health care," said Tarina Keene, executive director of NARAL Pro-Choice Virginia.

Keene accused McDonnell and Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli, also an anti-abortion Republican, of using their offices to push "an ideological agenda that is out of touch with the residents of this state" -- and pushing the commonwealth toward having some of the most "extreme state abortion laws" in the country.

McDonnell spokesman J. Tucker Martin said the regulations are a product of legislation that passed the General Assembly in 2011 and went through an extensive public comment process and detailed agency review that followed the same process that all proposed changes to regulations undergo in Virginia.

"The governor believes these common-sense regulations will help ensure that this medical procedure takes place in facilities that are modern, safe and well-regulated, in order to help ensure the safety and well-being of all patients," Martin said.
McDonnell's approval initiates a 60-day public comment period. Following the comment period, the regulations are sent back through the process of review by the Board of Health -- which could vote on them as early as March -- before heading to the attorney general and executive branch agencies. The permanent regulations are expected to be adopted by the summer.
Under the two-year compliance period stipulated by the Department of Health, Virginia's 20 existing abortion clinics will have until the latter half of 2014 to comply with the new regulations, which will require most of the facilities to undergo costly infrastructure changes to hallways, doorways and parking areas. Advocates say a number of the clinics could be forced to close.

The health commissioner has the authority to grant a variance to the clinics if the commissioner believes the requirements place an undue burden on a facility and determines that noncompliance in a specific area would not jeopardize patient safety and public health.

McDonnell has yet to name a replacement for Health Commissioner Karen Remley, who resigned in October. She said the development, enforcement and interpretation of the regulations outside of her office had compromised her ability to fulfill her duties.

Cuccinelli had refused to certify a change to regulations adopted by the Board of Health in June that would have grandfathered the state's 20 clinics from having to meet the new standards.

Before the meeting in September, the Attorney General's Office advised board members that their action in June did not conform to the 2011 law passed by the General Assembly. The advisory suggested that they could lose legal protection if they insisted on the grandfather provision and were sued.

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Re: Governor McDumbell

Postby Wise One » 2013 Jan 03 16:38

This McDumbell / Cuckoonelli stunt is disgusting.

Here's an interesting discussion, somewhat long, with some Republicans themselves saying that their party is sowing the seeds of its own destruction.
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Re: Governor McDumbell

Postby Buck Turgidson » 2013 Mar 03 09:38

If there is anybody still out there who thinks that Republicans retain even a shred of sanity, this story will convince him that they are totally, completely, irrevocably insane and probably ought to be locked up for our collective safety.

Virginia Republicans want to encourage even more wasteful gasoline usage, subsidize it from revenues paid by people who do not own cars, and impose punitive new taxes ($100 on efficient hybrid vehicles) on people who choose fuel efficiency. This is extreme derangement on public display!

I can only explain this stuff by assuming that the Republican brain is horribly mis-wired. Or, as they would describe it, an Act of God.

The good news is that a good lobotomy or strong electroconvulsive therapy treatment would benefit them. I hereby offer to pay for a free ride (Republicans love it when poor people like me pay for them) to any Republican who asks to be driven in for such a, clearly necessary, medical procedure.

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Re: Governor McDumbell

Postby Coondog » 2013 Mar 03 14:48

Careful, there, Buck.

You'll likely be hearing from Donald Trump's lawyer about that free ride.

Two things to remember:

All evidence points to the fact that he's already had one lobotomy.

But, don't let double-dipping become a contentous issue.

The first one didn't work.

Give the man the ride.

Coondog :hammer:

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Re: Governor McDumbell

Postby Buck Turgidson » 2013 Mar 05 08:21

Thanks, CD, for advice protecting me from the wrath of Trump and McDumbell. Yes, lobotomies may have been visited upon them already, just not aggressively enough.

Just when I thought Republicans couldn't possibly do anything dumber than McDumbell's tax on fuel efficient cars, plus making poor people pay for rich folks' cars through the sales tax, they found yet another way to display mean stupidity.

A Republican wants to tax bicycles. Yeah, it ain't them 18-wheelers carrying 22 tons that wears out our roads, it's little Jennifer on her bike. And she breathes hard riding uphill, emitting all that CO2, maybe more than an 18-wheeler.

Oh, wait, I forgot ... there's no such thang as climate change caused by man, never mind. Oh, but wait again, it ain't CO2 from all those oil burning machines that makes the climate change, it's people breathing that causes the problem. Yeah, yeah, it's all consistent. Protect human life when it's a few cells in size, but execute people for damn near anything after they start breathing. That's the ticket. Who says Republicans aren't strong environmentalists?!

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Re: Governor McDumbell

Postby Coondog » 2013 Jul 24 11:56

The following is a lengthy examination of our esteemed Governor's current state of affairs. Lengthy due to the extent of improper and dishonest activities which exemplify a Republican administration's tendency to use public trust and elected offices as private playgrounds for the benefit of themselves and their close constituency.

When one steals from the 7-11 and gets caught on video camera, returning the beer and porn magazines along with a less than sincere apology doesn't get one off the hook with the law. But, then, your more common of thieves are not that arrogant as to presume such privelege.

Coondog :police:

By Julian Walker
The Virginian-Pilot
© July 24, 2013

Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell has apologized for the “embarrassment” that he and his family have caused Virginia over a gift scandal, and said he has repaid $124,000 in loans to the political donor chiefly involved.

In a statement distributed Tuesday through Twitter, the governor again asserted that he has done nothing illegal and said he intends to remain in office through the end of his term in January.

“I am deeply sorry for the embarrassment certain members of my family and I brought upon my beloved Virginia and her citizens,” the governor’s statement said. “I want you to know that I broke no laws and that I am committed to regaining your sacred trust and confidence. I hope today’s action is a step toward that end.”

For several months, the McDonnells have weathered a flurry of media coverage about lavish gifts that the governor and his family have received from Jonnie Williams Sr., chief executive of Star Scientific Inc. Williams reportedly has given an expensive watch; has made monetary contributions toward the wedding of one of McDonnell’s daughters; provided vacation accommodations; and covered travel expenses for the governor.

All the while, Williams has worked to promote his company’s Anatabloc health supplement, partly through his affiliation with the McDonnells.

Star Scientific is mired in a tax dispute with the state and also faces a federal securities investigation.

Williams also provided loans worth more than $120,000 to McDonnell’s wife, Maureen, and a real estate company co-owned by the governor and his sister, according to The Washington Post.

McDonnell now says he has repaid the loans – one made in 2011 to the first lady for $52,278; and another two totaling $71,837 to the real estate firm, which consists of two Virginia Beach vacation rental properties.

McDonnell said the money used to repay the loans came from himself, his family or his business.

Virginia law requires many top state officials to report gifts worth more than $50, a requirement that does not cover those given to their families.

McDonnell has maintained throughout this months long saga that he has complied with the letter of the law, but local, state and federal inquiries into gifts the McDonnells have received are ongoing.

So, too, are a host of political campaigns, many involving Republicans whose electoral fates could be affected by the governor’s troubles.

Atop that list is Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli, the GOP nominee for governor, who also has ties to Williams.

The benefactor has given Cuccinelli more than $18,000 in gifts, about $5,000 of which the politician forgot to disclose until April; and the attorney general once held Star Scientific stock.

State Democratic groups were quick to point out that shared connection after McDonnell issued his statement – ProgressVA urged Cuccinelli to repay Williams rather than accept his “ethically questionable” generosity.

Also on the ballot this November will be contests for the statewide offices of lieutenant governor and attorney general, as well as all 100 seats in the GOP-controlled House of Delegates.

Republican leaders in that legislative chamber on Tuesday welcomed McDonnell’s apology as an “important step” by a man whose public service – from the military to government – they praised.

The joint statement by House Speaker William Howell, Majority Leader Kirk Cox and two other caucus officials called McDonnell “a man of character, integrity and good will.”

They acknowledged that McDonnell’s situation has put the spotlight on tightening Virginia’s permissive gift laws, and pledged to take action in the 2014 General Assembly session.

Among the changes they signaled support for are new reporting rules for gifts to immediate family members; revised reporting schedules; and disclosure training for elected officials.

Gubernatorial nominee Terry McAuliffe and some of his fellow Democrats favor an outright ban on gifts worth more than $100 to elected officials and their families.

Although well received in some quarters, McDonnell’s apology didn’t move one Democratic lawmaker who had previously said he should resign.

“While an apology might help with the public perception of his family’s behavior, I’ve never been able to get a prosecutor to accept the ‘but my client apologized after I got caught’ defense to any criminal case I’ve defended,” said Del. Scott Surovell, a Fairfax County attorney.

Midway through his four-paragraph statement, McDonnell shifted gears from apology to Virginia’s future.

“I plan to focus on creating even more jobs and facilitating greater opportunity during the last five months of my term as your Governor,” McDonnell said.

However, Surovell questioned whether McDonnell can still lead the state after repaying some loans but not returning all the gifts accepted.

“A belated apology after being spotlighted doesn’t serve to undo the public’s lack of trust, nor will it stop the Department of Justice’s investigation into the actions of the governor and his family,” he added.

Julian Walker, 804-697-1564, julian.walker@pilotonline.com

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Re: Governor McDumbell

Postby Cannoneer » 2013 Jul 24 14:48

As a resident of California I would gladly trade my Govenor for yours.

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Re: Governor McDumbell

Postby Neck-aint-red » 2013 Jul 24 15:41

If I had the power to make the trade, I would in a microsecond.
Virginia would come out WAY ahead on that one.

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Re: Governor McDumbell

Postby Cannoneer » 2013 Jul 24 19:00

Too bad we can't trade, I'd be happy to throw in both of our Senators and and the former speaker of the house.
They are something like Robinhood because they believe in taking from those who work and giving to those who won't.
Also none of them have ever seen a tax that they didn't love.
They treat foriegn nationals who are in the country illigally like visiting royalty.