Human, All Too Human

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Human, All Too Human

Postby Uji » 2009 Oct 18 13:26

So, now that I've cleared the room and am talking only to myself, I will continue my sermon...

We all suffer -- liberal, conservative, religious right-left-up-down-sidewise -- suffer from an irrational faith in the 18th-century notion of progress. We all believe -- whether we cast it in religious or social terms -- in a distant promised land where inequalities will be leveled, where rightousness will reign (whether "god"'s, or Marx's, or Madison's, or Glen Beck's...), and where reason will reign and everyone will work for the mutual good and pain will be minimized and truth will reign . . . etc., etc., etc. What it boils down to, I think, is an irrational belief -- and I mean by this, "faith," a conviction held despite a preponderance of evidence to the contrary -- in Progress.

No, you say? Look how cynical I am, you say, look how readily I recognize hypocrisy and dishonesty, etc. How can you say I have faith in Progress? I think the world is going to hell in a Wal-mart basket! you say.

Well, how do you account for the intolerance we all show on these pages? Not racial or even political intolerance, but intolerance of human failings?

We somehow think that, this time, it will be different; this time, everyone will be honest (even with themselves), the rich will give up their wealth willingly, the powerful will bow to the needs of the powerless and that -- this time -- we will...what?...Enter the promised land?

This is neither reasonable nor realistic. Human nature doesn't change "this time" or anytime. Things get better; things get worse. But there is never going to be a time when some human does not chose to use a new technology for evil if s/he thinks it will be useful to do so; nor when some human does not chose their own (or their tribe's welfare) over that of another. That's not to say no human ever will; it's just to say that human nature does not change.

Human nature does not change. We are no different than any other generations of humans on this earth; we may eat better, sleep better, be generally more comfortable and more healthy -- but that's not Progress, that's just innovation.

Innovations will continue, but human nature will continue just the same as always.

So -- I say to Greenwald -- get a life, Dude. Your big insight is that we are all still human. Well, congratualations. Now go get job.

Jeez... :hiding:

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Re: Human, All Too Human

Postby Wise One » 2009 Oct 18 22:58

"If your only tool is a hammer, every problem looks like Donald Trump."

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Re: Human, All Too Human

Postby fangz1956 » 2009 Oct 19 08:07

Ever looked at someone and thought "the wheel is turning but the hamster is dead"?

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Re: Human, All Too Human

Postby Sam » 2009 Oct 19 10:44

"Words have the power to both destroy and heal. When words are both true and kind, they can change our world." Buddha

"Lord, help me to be the person my dog thinks I am" Saw this on a bumper sticker.

Progress + Compassion
Only in America could the people who believe in balancing the budget and sticking by the country's Constitution be thought of as
"extremists

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Re: Human, All Too Human

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Re: Human, All Too Human

Postby fangz1956 » 2009 Oct 19 13:50

Ever looked at someone and thought "the wheel is turning but the hamster is dead"?

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Re: Human, All Too Human

Postby Uji » 2009 Oct 19 18:38

Nicely said, Fangz (and those you quote). I especially like the Havel quote. To do something because it is worth doing... reason enough. Thanks.

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Re: Human, All Too Human

Postby Wise One » 2009 Oct 28 12:50

Now here are of how paying attention to a very human quality can get the best from us!

Let's all go out there and have some fun, people!

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Re: Human, All Too Human

Postby fangz1956 » 2009 Oct 28 20:09

Love the piano steps. I want some like that!!!

Thanks for the fun.


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Ever looked at someone and thought "the wheel is turning but the hamster is dead"?

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Re: Human, All Too Human

Postby Uji » 2009 Nov 06 16:01


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Re: Human, All Too Human

Postby Wise One » 2011 Oct 18 13:11



Honest.

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Re: Human, All Too Human

Postby Buck Turgidson » 2012 Apr 05 12:42

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Re: Human, All Too Human

Postby Juggler » 2012 Apr 05 13:15

In Oregon, there is a rural community with a large German-speaking population.

A local farmer noticed a man using his hand to drink water from the farm pond.

The farmer shouted: "Achtung, trink das Wasser nicht. Die kuehe haben darein geschissen."

The man shouted back: "I'm from Texas, here campaigning for Santorum. This is America you damn furriner. We speak English here."

The farmer replied: "Use both hands."

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BuckBuckBuck...

Postby Crux » 2012 Apr 05 21:00

Sharks eat fish, not the other way around sport.
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Re: Human, All Too Human

Postby Neck-aint-red » 2012 Apr 05 21:53

That sounds like a typical "ego" statement.
Many things eat sharks, in accordance with the "eco" perspective.

"Ego" statements like "man eats highest in the food chain" have always sounded nonsensical to me.
Man, and all other organisms, are food for other organisms. 'twas ever thus and ever shall be.

Are bacteria and worms "eating highest on the food chain" when they eat a human being?
Of course not ... it's one big circle, no organism living or dying outside the circle, including us.

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Your ego.

Postby Crux » 2012 Apr 06 07:57

Describing the symbiosis of LIFE, as a mere CIRCLE, or my statement that sharks eat fish not the other way around as an "ego" statement might make you feel better, however: from any perspective, the differences between say, a woman and a toad are obvious and pronounced. As well, sharks generally and almost wholly should be represented higher on the food chain pyramid than fish. Biologists, Christians and 4th Graders all agree.

The spiritual/mental plane is not to be overlooked...

crux

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Re: Your ego.

Postby Wise One » 2012 Apr 06 13:19

"If your only tool is a hammer, every problem looks like Donald Trump."

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Trying too hard?

Postby Crux » 2012 Apr 06 14:36

Having adopted NO model here whatsoever, and merely commenting on the linear pyramid graphic which shows shark below fish, I would merely say shark/fish does not equal human/polar bear. I am afraid my simple statement has too many in a tizzy. Sharks are generally predators relative to Fishes, which are generally prey. Simple enough...

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Ultra Conservative. That's funny. I am not sure HOW I've aquired such a label. But then again, according to NPR yesterday am, voter ID laws and stand your ground laws are "extreme right wing positions".
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Re: Human, All Too Human

Postby Juggler » 2012 Nov 10 09:44

This is General David Petraeus’s wife:
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And this is Paula Broadwell, the woman he had an affair with.
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To you Sir I say, "Well done!"

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Not what Uji had in mind I think...

Postby Crux » 2012 Nov 12 08:11

I'll back up. The story of Petraeus is really very sad. He was a talented man. His wife is not a looker, but she is his wife. I would say this is a private thing but for his job description. Yes every man is tempted, and often all it takes is a willing partner. Mis Broadwell was willing. David was able.

I called Juggler a toad and prince because no good people cheer this behavior. "Well done sir..." is a toad-ish statement. The Frog Prince is just a story reference. I don't know David or Paula or Mrs. Petraeus. It is a story we have not yet plumbed.
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