A Breath of intelligent/fresh air

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Wow What Intellect

Postby Crux » 2015 Feb 04 15:59

...look I get that homosexuals might think strait sex is ICKY. Homosexuals are a "minority" in terms of their "occurrence"...

Whatever. Floats. Your Boat. We are not talking asexual plant reproduction, or apes in captivity "stimulating" each other.

You Leftists are a real HOOT I tell ya!! I am a free thinking independent classic liberal on this. Not some PS FREAK. :coffee:
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It might not feel like love, or sound like love to you, but it is the truth. Men, human men buggering each other is not NATURAL.
By definition, not NATURAL. Two women diddling each other isn't NATURAL. It is not a normal, or common biological condition.

This is not in dispute. Love who and how you want. It doesn't matter to me. I love my gay family but it is not normal or natural.

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Re: A Breath of intelligent/fresh air

Postby Kevsky » 2015 Feb 09 07:45

Actually, there are ample examples of the existence of homosexuality which occur in "nature". It is clearly evident in humans and animals (and maybe plants).

Yes, and there are ample examples of animals in "nature" which eat their young and lick their own asses but those traits are not acceptable in human society, at least not yet.

I really must take issue with your challenge that homosexuality is not natural. Sorry to burst your bigoted bubble but it is most natural. My brother and sister were both born that way. It wasn't a choice made later in life. It was present in all of its glory during our growing up years.

Homosexuality is natural.......and it more than OK. It does no harm to the individual unless they try to suppress the way they are naturally wired coming into this world. And for the record, it does no harm to those who love them, either.

So, if homosexuality is natural and acceptable because people are "born that way" and it does no harm to the individual and they are naturally wired that way coming into this world, than should we not be accepting of polygamy in "all of its glory", which would meet the same criteria or sexual relationships between mother and son or father and daughter or two siblings in "all of its glory", all of which also happen in nature and can be considered as naturally wired into some coming into this world? In fact, cannot every single sexual deviancy meet this standard?

I find it hypocritical, intellectually dishonest and simple-minded for those who claim that you are a bigot for criticizing homosexuality but than feel they have the moral authority to than condemn the practice of polygamy or any other sexual deviancy. Is that also not bigotry? Does it simply just boil down to your bigotry is more politically-correct than my bigotry?

There really is only two avenues of honest thought in this argument. Either society has the right to label, regulate and castigate sexually deviant practices or society has no right, in which case individuals, as each sees fit, have the authority to standardize any sexual practice as normal to include homosexuality, incest, bestiality, pedophilia, etc. Anything in between is merely subjective, individual preference. Those who advocate for the slow erosion of barriers against these sexual deviancies know that this is the ultimate end game and the eventual outcome. It is the reason the liberal left has pushed the homosexual agenda in mass media, politics and education. Anything goes. "Fill every hole and mount every pole". "Not diversity, but deviancy is our strength".

"Our movement today stresses the liberation and empowerment of young people. Instead of pedagogy, democracy. Rather than a Greek love mentor-relationship, the companionship of independent and autonomous individuals. In place of male supremacy, a vision of sexual, economic, and political liberation for all. Freedom is indivisible. The liberation of children, women, boy-lovers, and homosexuals in general, can occur only as complementary facets of the same dream."

http://www.nambla.org/pederasty.html

God and/or science help us if this is to be our future.

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Re: A Breath of intelligent/fresh air

Postby Crux » 2015 Feb 09 09:04

Good points. Obviously it is the slippery slope, nose nuder the tent. Society will sanctify certain "deviant" relationships, and not others.

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Postby Coondog » 2015 Feb 09 10:02

Those are some of the stupidest, illegitimate deflections from rational thought espoused on this particular subject.

First of all, you people conflate being homosexual (an apparently genetically induced condition) with polygamy (chosen, biblically condoned form of kinkiness).

Without even bothering to debunk the entirety of these screeds (because it would invoke science which is known to elude your grasp, entirely) a simple question is posed:

"What part of ......"pursuit of happiness" do you constitutional scholars and worshipers of the founding fathers not understand? Yes, we know that the Declaration of Independence doesn't carry the same weight of, say, the second amendment, but as a preceding document, it might be given some consideration as evidence of intent.

No one is advocating eating their young, and should not, at least until they become teenagers. And, if you're inclined to want to lick your own butts, that's your prerogative. Good luck with that!

We are also somewhat put off by public displays of affection between two guys (girls.....not so much). It is our right to be offended or grossed out, but as we have never experienced pain or suffering over being grossed out, that's as far as it goes. Being grossed out originates from environmental, not genetic, factors and is not even guaranteed by the sacred mandate of constitutional legitimacy.

We have reached, or evolved to as it were, the realization that the intensity of being grossed out ebbs as one discovers the concept of minding one's own business.

Coondog :coffee:

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Re: A Breath of intelligent/fresh air

Postby Wise One » 2015 Feb 09 10:35

Amen.
"If your only tool is a hammer, every problem looks like Donald Trump."

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Re: A Breath of intelligent/fresh air

Postby Crux » 2015 Feb 10 07:40

No one said "don't pursue happiness". No one believes all gay people were "born that way".
As well, there is no such thing as marriage "equality". What a misuse of the word equal, and marry.
Two men loving each other and getting "married", is not the same as a man and a woman getting married. :sail:

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Re: A Breath of intelligent/fresh air

Postby Coondog » 2015 Feb 10 12:20

No one believes all gay people were "born that way".

It's not a matter or "belief". But, you may be correct. Perhaps some percentage simply 'became' over the course of life. Perhaps some percentage actually did make a cognitive choice. When it comes to forming relationships, that's really beside the point.

Marital relationships are as variable as snowflakes, but when one talks about 'marital equality', it's about legal standing, and only about legal standing.

Now.........Coondog realizes that the conservative utopian view is of a nation of families, ala the 1950's, where all men are like Ward Clever and all women are like Donna Reed. One can identify with that....a world where the worst fear is one of Eddie Haskall's pranks gone wrong. A world of twin beds, briefcases, kitchen gadgets and white maids named Hazel.

But that nostalgic world....the one devoid of black people, gay people, poor people and the KKK, never existed. Never will! Social consciousness is now, more than ever, in your face and the multitude of diversities are inescapable.

Unless you live alone in a cave, the concepts of freedom and liberty must be tempered by inclusion in a society. Particularly a society that ideologically values equality and equal protection under the law. The more complex and inclusive the society, the more elements of unfettered freedom and liberty one sacrifices. Call it membership dues.

That includes acceptance that people who do not accept your belief system are equally entitled to pursue happiness according to their own definition. If you don't like the idea of all marriages being called marriages, start calling gay marriages....purple marriages. Maybe it'll catch on, the distinction will be clear and happiness will prevail.

Coondog :pompom:

Now........about Bruce Jenner!???????

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Re: A Breath of intelligent/fresh air

Postby Amy Probenski » 2015 Feb 10 20:12

Crux wrote:Two men loving each other and getting "married", is not the same as a man and a woman getting married.

The giant intellect of Crux strikes again.

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Re: A Breath of intelligent/fresh air

Postby Kevsky » 2015 Feb 11 07:52

"What part of ......"pursuit of happiness" do you constitutional scholars and worshipers of the founding fathers not understand? Yes, we know that the Declaration of Independence doesn't carry the same weight of, say, the second amendment, but as a preceding document, it might be given some consideration as evidence of intent.
So, are you implying that the men who constructed the Declaration of Independence meant the "pursuit of happiness" was to allow for sodomy, incest, bestiality and pedophilia in the new nation? That we fought a war of independence to allow men to have sex with children and animals and each other? How stupid and absurd. 12 of the 13 Colonies had sodomy laws. Thomas Jefferson wrote a law in Virginia which allowed for castration for men who committed Sodomy. Yet, you believe the intent of "pursuit of happiness" was to allow for sodomy? What a moronic idea.

We are also somewhat put off by public displays of affection between two guys (girls.....not so much). It is our right to be offended or grossed out, but as we have never experienced pain or suffering over being grossed out, that's as far as it goes. Being grossed out originates from environmental, not genetic, factors and is not even guaranteed by the sacred mandate of constitutional legitimacy.
Really?? What the hell are you talking about? The issue at hand is more than just simply being offended. Are we to give equal rights to those who practice polygamy, incest, bestiality etc? Are they to have the same benefits bestowed upon married couples? Are they to have affirmative action protection? Are these deviant sexual behaviors to be taught in our schools as acceptable normal behavior? There are larger and more socially significant issues other than just being offended.

First of all, you people conflate being homosexual (an apparently genetically induced condition) with polygamy (chosen, biblically condoned form of kinkiness).
What does it matter? Are you implying that the litmus test for social acceptance of sexual deviancies is whether or not they are genetic? Should than pedophilia (a genetically induced condition) also be acceptable?

http://www.science20.com/ptsd_navigating_mindfield/review_pedophilia_neuropsychological_evidence_encouraging_brain_network_perspective
if you're inclined to want to lick your own butts, that's your prerogative
Is this a testimonial from you? I do understand coondogs are notorious for this practice. Is this how you determined what your moniker would be?

Now.........Coondog realizes that the conservative utopian view is of a nation of families, ala the 1950's, where all men are like Ward Clever and all women are like Donna Reed. One can identify with that....a world where the worst fear is one of Eddie Haskall's pranks gone wrong. A world of twin beds, briefcases, kitchen gadgets and white maids named Hazel.

But that nostalgic world....the one devoid of black people, gay people, poor people and the KKK, never existed. Never will! Social consciousness is now, more than ever, in your face and the multitude of diversities are inescapable.
You can transpose your own childish and naive fantasies of what you think conservatives believe but in the end they are merely a reflection of your own bigotries and prejudices.

the concepts of freedom and liberty must be tempered by inclusion in a society. Particularly a society that ideologically values equality and equal protection under the law. The more complex and inclusive the society, the more elements of unfettered freedom and liberty one sacrifices. Call it membership dues.
You prove my case. So, in the end, I am correct when I stated:

There really is only two avenues of honest thought in this argument. Either society has the right to label, regulate and castigate sexually deviant practices or society has no right, in which case individuals, as each sees fit, have the authority to standardize any sexual practice as normal to include homosexuality, incest, bestiality, pedophilia, etc. Anything in between is merely subjective, individual preference.
Coondog states;

That includes acceptance that people who do not accept your belief system are equally entitled to pursue happiness according to their own definition.
Which, I take it, would include homosexuality, incest, pedophilia, bestiality, etc??

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Re: A Breath of intelligent/fresh air

Postby Neck-aint-red » 2015 Feb 11 11:45

I get it. You don't like gay people.

If you don't like gay marriage, all you have to do is don't get gay married.

Just leave other people alone.

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Sodomy

Postby Coondog » 2015 Feb 11 16:50

Anal or oral intercourse between human beings, or any sexual relations between a human being and an animal, the act of which may be punishable as a criminal offense
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That's a legal definition which no longer has meaning in 37 states. Guess which 13 still have that law on the books. Sodomy is enjoyed by homosexuals and heterosexuals alike almost everywhere. But, that has nothing to do with marriage any more than bestiality, incest or pedophilia, which are completely different issues.

As usual, you miss the point entirely, likely because you seem to persistently conflate one thing with another completely different thing. No one is requesting the right to marry their sister, their family pets or five year olds. They're not part of the conversation because there is universal agreement (except in some of those aforementioned 13 states) that they are scientifically unhealthy, socially unacceptable and unarguably not genetic. (pedophilia is classified as a mental disorder)

So.....it is perplexing that anyone who is so paranoid against the idea of Sharia Law would want someone locked up for a run of the mill BJ. Pretty sure that's not what Thomas Jefferson had in mind.

Homosexuals, as well as black people (ie poor people), are here to stay and the sooner we stop trying to put up barriers, the sooner we can stop hearing about homophobia and racism. Frankly, we're tired of hearing about both of them.

Coondog :hammer:

Paraphilia (sexual deviancy) would make an excellent topic, as there are over 500 identifiable forms. How many apply to us? What's your favorite animal?

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coondog is BORING

Postby Crux » 2015 Feb 15 11:43

Coondog wrote:Paraphilia (sexual deviancy) would make an excellent topic, as there are over 500 identifiable forms. How many apply to us?
Homosexuals, as well as black people (ie poor people), are here to stay and the sooner we stop trying to put up barriers, the sooner we can stop hearing about homophobia and racism. Frankly, we're tired of hearing about both of them.

Two observations. Coondog is all into sexual deviancy. Sex obsessed and in an obtuse way. Secondly, regarding "black people (ie poor people)",
he betrays his bigotry of low expectations. Middle class blacks (ie) as a group would be the fifth wealthiest nation on the planet!

As for sodomy, bugger who you wish as long as it's between consenting adults. It is sticking an erect penis into a butt hole where the poop comes out! Ick!! Don't pretend that two men engaging in this activity is not gross or UN-natural. I mean it's a free country and all but geez...
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It is what it is. :pat:

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Re: A Breath of intelligent/fresh air

Postby Coondog » 2015 Feb 15 13:39

Coondog is all into sexual deviancy.

Well.....who ain't? But some things are not our cup of tea. (not a literal cup of tea) Just not 'obsessed' with how other people choose to utilize their leisure time. The notion that people are to be defined, denied, denigrated and categorized by their particular pursuits of happiness brings one to the question of......why?

Crux's narrow definition of sexual interplay fails to include the fact that these same graphically detailed activities are performed by consenting heterosexuals, as well. So, you see, it is not so easy to classify the ways people choose to entertain themselves and castigate them accordingly.

Unless, you're one of those folks who believe that acts of a sexual nature should only be initiated in the interest of procreation, in which case virtually nobody but fundamentalist prudes deserve to have equal rights under the law.

One wonders why it is anyone would fill their heads with concern over this issue. Doesn't Benghazi take up most all of the available space?

Coondog :encore:

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DUNCE

Postby Crux » 2015 Feb 15 18:03

Coondog wrote:Crux's narrow definition of sexual interplay fails to include the fact that these same graphically detailed activities are performed by consenting heterosexuals, as well. So, you see, it is not so easy to classify the ways people choose to entertain themselves and castigate them accordingly.

Unless, you're one of those folks who believe that acts of a sexual nature should only be initiated in the interest of procreation, in which case virtually nobody but fundamentalist prudes deserve to have equal rights under the law.

Sure everyone should have the same rights. I also said bugger who you wish, how you wish, as long as they and you are a consenting adult.

Are you simply stupid, not simply misguided, or both??

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