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Re: Socialism?

Postby Coondog » 2012 Jun 12 12:55

What I believe........

Not to change the subject, but, I believe that a bunch of Senators who get together and agree not to do anything for 5 months should not be paid for 5 months.

Beyond that, I also believe that such action constitutes a breach of oath to serve and they should be drummed out by tomorrow morning at the latest.

And yes! The purpose of unions is collective bargaining. When you take away collective bargaining from a union it's like taking away a fishing pole from a fisherman. Then what do you have? Men who stare at fish!

Without meaning, purpose or effectiveness, your only choice is to become a Republican Senator!

Coondog

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The Private Economy is Doing Fine

Postby Crux » 2012 Jun 13 00:00

I don't know why I even try... Dog, some of us don't like what the Dim Senate has been up to these last 35 months. Continuing resolutions of baseline budgeting and deficit spending? Nope. Not a fan. This week we again heard it strait from BO's mouth.

"The Private Economy is Doing Fine. It is the public sector that is suffering..."

You've had your Trillion dollar Stimulus, your little chuckle over "shovel ready jobs", the BS stimulus money...that little crumb from the Nanny State. I say shove it up your pipe and smoke it 'dog. I reject it. BO and his economic big government anti capitalist "leadership" can take a hike! NO cliche' can express my disdain for the FARCE that is Barry O.

I hope you voted for Karen and Jaime today tea'dog. Is there a shred of hope left in you? I hanker for Change.

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Re: Socialism?

Postby Sweetness 'n Light » 2012 Jun 21 13:27

Honest I feel like a prisiner in my own house most of the time. This is the first time I could get on and talk to you guys in a coon's age. Maybe its like a Obama's age now, huh?

My husband got sick few weeks back and acted really weird after he woke up and I called 911 and they came and scared me to death cause they said he had a stroke but then the doctor said is was something not so bad maybe a transient isochemical attack, some kind of temporary stroke and he's OK now. They said for him to take it easy so he's not watching me like a hawk no more which is a good thing so maybe strokes are not all bad, huh? ha ha

So I get to be on the forum again maybe for a little while and tell you some stuff about the news that proves I'm smart and not just a pretty face, huh?

It looked real good like that fake presidedent Obama who isn't even American might get clobbered by a real American Republican like Sarah Palin but then she didn't run, but it was OK cause then we had Gingerich but he flopped. Then Rich Santorom sounded real good really a good American with good values but then he turned tail. And then we had some others I mostly never heard of but it now looks like the Republicans are choosing a mormon! Can you believe that they would pick somebody who isn't even a real Christian? See, after there is a muslin president from kenya then I guess anything goes, huh? Sometimes I am the only sane person alive maybe, huh?

I am always voting Republican cause they have the real strong Americans who hate them illegal aileens want to keep white people like me from having their rights and property stolen, and hate those samesex queers who always want to get married like they were normal humans. But it seems like the ones who are the most like me and patriotic and God fearing are always the ones that get defeated like it isn't even our country anymore.

But then they go and pick a mormon who is maybe secretly taking orders from Salt Lake City and says he will stop gay marriage but maybe secretly will force men to have seven wives or something? And it really is true that his father is a Mexican so I bet he will even let more aileens in even though he lies out the side of his mouth about no he won't. Honest, I don't know what to do cause the black one is a communist muslin and the Republican is an anti Christian Mexican who says anything to get elected and forced Massachussetts to have health care even though we don't want it. Maybe he thinks just cause people like me with a husband with a stroke cant pay any more medical bills then he can force us to have socialized medicine?!?! Well it won't work cause we will let the government pay for it cause we can't but we will fight if they force other people to be socialized, that's the American way, huh?

I got lots more good things to say so maybe you should stay tuned if I can keep sneeking on here.

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Re: Socialism?

Postby Amy Probenski » 2012 Jun 26 17:11

Omigod, your husband is to be pitied as well as nearly anybody else you interact with. Are you Crux's twin sister? Get a grip, or help, or something, please!

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Re: Socialism?

Postby Sam » 2012 Jun 27 07:34

You are a sensitive soul. If you feel this person is real you need to rethink little lady. This is a made up person. If someone were as lacking in whatever you want to call it then this person is not stupid. Good grammer good spelling etc . As for Crux sister don't think so. As for tolerance, you are missing. If this is a real person why not try and win her over to your way of thinking. My Mom always told me honey gets more flies than vinegar.
Only in America could the people who believe in balancing the budget and sticking by the country's Constitution be thought of as
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From each according to their means...

Postby Crux » 2012 Jul 15 07:42

...to each according to their needs, the Fed will confiscate and redistribute wealth amongst the citizenry.

President Obama on the stump in Roanoke yesterday:


"There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me — because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t — look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there."

He continued:

"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen."

This is not Liberty. This is not free enterprise. This is socialism.

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Feudalism

Postby Coondog » 2012 Jul 17 13:21

It is clear from the vote on the Disclose Act, yesterday, that the Republican Party is already owned by billionaires like Sheldon Adelson.

We are in an epic struggle between democracy and a puppet regime run by rich power mongers who are making a monumental push to buy America. It is not socialists who have co-opted the democratic process.....it is free market capitalists.

We are no more of a socialist society today than we have been for the past 50 years. We are, however, more subjected to blatent bribary of politicians......elected officials who have shunned the cognitive process for pre-processed words and actions. They're called republicans.....and it's clear they have no spines, no patriotism and no shame.

We had reached a workable balance between humanitarian socialism and darwinian capitalism....a system built on compromise where everybody benefited in some way. The rich got richer and the ones who didn't were not thrown to the wolves. Now.....the attitude is that unless all manner of capitalism is absolved from responsibility and regulation and all semblences of socialism are erradicated, there can be no effort made to address the problems that face us as a nation.

It is likely that in the near future, the country will have been bought and twisted and systematically ruined by egotistical billionaires. This will be what finally destroys a once great nation......rot from within, predicated on loss of all moral decency, bribary and an Orwellian perspective on how society should serve the Almighty Dollar!

I hope the survivors of this Brave New World enjoy what I prefer to call....Economic Sodomy!

Coondog :curse:

Bend over, right wingers....here comes Sheldon!

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The Volt

Postby Crux » 2012 Jul 17 21:30

OH THERE'S a right wing triumph!! NOT!! The Chevy Volt. Up in smoke...

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Re: Socialism?

Postby Sam » 2012 Jul 19 22:10

What's that about the Chevy Volt - its not selling but costing taxpayers,loads of bucks
Only in America could the people who believe in balancing the budget and sticking by the country's Constitution be thought of as
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Re: Socialism?

Postby fangz1956 » 2012 Jul 27 07:25

"Personal property is the effect of society; and it is as impossible for an individual to acquire personal property without the aid of society, as it is for him to make land originally.

Separate an individual from society, and give him an island or a continent to possess, and he cannot acquire personal property. He cannot be rich. So inseparably are the means connected with the end, in all cases, that where the former do not exist the latter cannot be obtained. All accumulation, therefore, of personal property, beyond what a man's own hands produce, is derived to him by living in society; and he owes on every principle of justice, of gratitude, and of civilization, a part of that accumulation back again to society from whence the whole came."

Thomas Paine, Agrarian Justice



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Ever looked at someone and thought "the wheel is turning but the hamster is dead"?

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Socialism is one model, NOT mine.

Postby Crux » 2012 Jul 27 08:29

There will always be a difference between voluntary, and coercive. Education vs enforcement. Free will vs bondage.

The individual is the ultimate minority. Wanna buy a generator and cooperate with 3 other families for the next Derecho?

Great... More power to you. If not, don't come knocking on my door demanding the use of mine. Ask and I might help.

I might not too. Through hard work and great efforts, and talents, let the individual thrive if they might....

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Re: Socialism?

Postby Wise One » 2012 Jul 27 12:31

Sam wrote:What's that about the Chevy Volt - its not selling but costing taxpayers,loads of bucks

Where do you get your information? Fox-TV? Try a source other than a propaganda organ of the Republican party.

Here's are verifiable facts. If I did my arithmetic correctly, this model accounts for about 10% of this company's sales of all small models, not too shabby for a new vehicle employing a new technology.

Do you want GM to fail, a new industry to fail, the US to fail, and to continue sending petrodollars abroad ... just because you despise an African-American president so very much?

:coffee:
"If your only tool is a hammer, every problem looks like Donald Trump."

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Racism, Sexism, Shish Boom Bah Humbug

Postby Crux » 2012 Jul 27 12:50

Wise One wrote:
Sam wrote:
Do you want GM to fail, a new industry to fail, the US to fail, and to continue sending petrodollars abroad ... just because you despise an African-American president so very much?

:coffee:


This is just the kind of race baiting slur a JERK like you would levy. Sam can speak for himself, but you are an ASS.

"""The Volt, which can travel about 35 miles on battery power before a small gasoline engine generates power to run the car's electric motor, has a base price of about $40,000 before an up to $7,500 tax credit from the U.S. government."""

You think this is glowing? A gas engine paired with a grid powered electric engine that goes 35 miles on a charge. 40K, and a taxpayer check for 7K per unit. Let's say 7k x 1,000 units per month. Almost 1 billion taxpayer dollars.

What a JOKE. The Volt has not been well reviewed and has not been well received. Better off to buy a Honda Civic.
...or a Ford... Look into the payback numbers. 10 to 20 years. Maybe.

There is great incentive to find technologies that will pay off. GREEN technologies... PROFIT. When the numbers add up, the sales will take off. You do not NEED this kind of Government interference. Seriously. :tiphat:

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Re: Socialism?

Postby fangz1956 » 2012 Jul 27 13:33

crux wrote:
If not, don't come knocking on my door demanding the use of mine

Another shining example of the holier than thou Christian Right....Let me shove my Bible down your throat and tell you how to live.......but don't dare judge the selfish, amoral, un-Christ-like religious bible thumpers.

Jesus must be real proud of you, crux.

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Ever looked at someone and thought "the wheel is turning but the hamster is dead"?

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Re: Racism, Sexism, Shish Boom Bah Humbug

Postby Wise One » 2012 Jul 27 14:17

crux wrote:You do not NEED this kind of Government interference. Seriously.

Actually, we often choose it for good and widely accepted reasons.

For example, houses everywhere in America have electric power at prices lying in a much narrower band than they would be without government help. Initially, rural electrification benefited from huge federal capital subsidies and even today it benefits from continuing subsidies directly linked to federal rural electrification policy and law.

The federal highway system is a huge example, probably too huge, widely accepted as a good federal investment. Ditto for other transportation modes and dams and water supplies and irrigation infrastructure and scientific/medical research. All of these could be purely private but for many good reasons we don't slavishly do it that way just to adhere to some rigid and narrow-minded ideology. We devote tax-funded and fee-funded subsidies to do bigger and faster and more efficiently what a laissez faire market is not be willing to step up to.

Sometimes unfettered and unregulated and self-sufficient commerce is good and adequate. Sometimes it is not and needs a little help. Ideologues wear blinders and see only one side.
"If your only tool is a hammer, every problem looks like Donald Trump."

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Little Miss Take it out of context...

Postby Crux » 2012 Jul 27 15:31

First Paine, now Crux? I am at a loss... What part of Don't Demand From Me do you not really get? I said you could ask...
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Oh, and AO. Don't go all logical and reasonable on me. YOU KNOW or should know, it is about balance, not all or nothing.

Each State takes a huge role for example in the road system, and private enterprise has a huge role too.

Interstates and power grids don't the whole story make...

Take Detroit Michigan. BEAUTIFUL roads. Disastrous economy. Or the BANKRUPT Californian Cities. BEAUTIFUL roads!!
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"You didn't build that...there's lots of smart people...who work hard out here..." -PresBO
:hammer:

Attention: All this basck and forth happens in a context. This includes a President of The United Stataes that openly has riduculed Small Business owners. They've busted their asses generationally 365, and you have Fangst, lady of angry feminism and The Arrogant One playing word games! Hello! The shouts of Racism!! This Pesident and HIS ILK... :mad:

Yes I get a little fired up! ...and I might say NO. -crux

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Re: Little Miss Take it out of context...

Postby Wise One » 2012 Jul 27 20:49

crux wrote:"You didn't build that...there's lots of smart people...who work hard out here..." -PresBO ... a President of The United Stataes that openly has riduculed Small Business owners.

Dear Out-of-Context-Man,
Jon Stewart has a message especially for you:
:coffee:
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Balance

Postby Crux » 2012 Jul 28 19:12

Blow? Stewart? Krugman? NYT? Pelosi? Huffpo? PLEASE. I read the stuff you link to, for the very most part.

My advice to anyone is read, and listen with an open mind to all sides. The stakes are high.

Barry Obama is a TERRIBLE President. His ideology is NOT American.

It is really that simple... CULTURALLY he is not American.

...nor is he Christian for that matter...

cruxincontext

Are there Americans who support Obama? Surely.... Less in 2012. Maybe far far far less. "dance13"

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Re: Balance

Postby Wise One » 2012 Jul 29 13:16

crux wrote:Barry Obama is a TERRIBLE President.[b] His ideology is NOT American.
It is really that simple... CULTURALLY he is not American. ...nor is he Christian for that matter...

This is what they do. With blind prejudice, they imply that anybody who does not embrace their insane wacko-extremist-rightist ideology, is "UNAMERICAN."

America is a wonderful country populated by genuine Americans who hold a million different opinions, beliefs, etc. To label someone who does not choose to hop on your excrement-reeking-cart as UNAMERICAN, only confirms that you don't have the slightest idea what your own country is all about.

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Unpatriotic

Postby Crux » 2012 Jul 30 00:15

:laughing: :geek: He called BUSH UNPATRIOTIC, for running up "half a trillion dollars in debt" in a single year. Certainly it is not a stretch to call this man UN-American culturally. We read his books. We hear his words. We make our judgements. Come to your own conclusions.... BO has bowed to the Saudi King. Labelled "typical white" people who have reactions "bred" into them.

Liberation Theology is not American. Socialism is not American. Fascism is not American. His treatment of our closest allies is not American. I mean, draw yo9ur conclusions. I stand by mine. His belief that the 2nd amendment refers NOT to an Individual Right to me is not American. Whatever WISE ONE. We will just have to disagree...

crux