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Re: The Internet & Computers

Postby Wise One » 2010 Aug 19 08:47

"If your only tool is a hammer, every problem looks like Donald Trump."

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Re: The Internet & Computers

Postby fangz1956 » 2010 Aug 20 08:12

Ever looked at someone and thought "the wheel is turning but the hamster is dead"?

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Re: The Internet & Computers

Postby Wise One » 2010 Sep 28 08:09

Thanks so much for pushing on this, Fangz. Most people have no idea what the telcos have in mind for the internet ... it is not good and will destroy its most valuable features.

But wait, it gets worse. The Obama administration is now clearly on , seeking powers to impose the same snooping practiced by Saudi Arabia, China, and other unsavory authoritarian regimes. This must be fought.

But wait, it gets even worse. Democrats have caved and have to assert regulatory authority over net neutrality. With friends like this, who needs ... ?

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Re: The Internet & Computers

Postby Wise One » 2010 Nov 06 13:27

The election has ramifications for Net Neutrality.

Sadly, with Republican help, it looks as though the telecom bastards are going to capture the internet after all. Gone will be the open internet. Instead they will create an internet that is Byzantine with fees, "plans" that restrict access, and a hundred other impairments and swindles we haven't even heard of yet.

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Re: The Internet & Computers

Postby Wise One » 2010 Nov 30 09:47

"If your only tool is a hammer, every problem looks like Donald Trump."

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Re: The Internet & Computers

Postby Amy Probenski » 2010 Dec 01 10:24

That is very interesting.

Did you see in the newspaper today?

A big battle is about to be waged within the Federal Communications Commission. It seems to confirm your warning that, as always, it will be Republicans versus common sense.

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Re: The Internet & Computers

Postby Wise One » 2010 Dec 20 20:47

It seems that the FCC is about to surrender to the big telecoms. .

So wrap your mind around the idea of the internet transformed into a carbon copy of cable television. That is, there will be complex bundles of sites you can visit under your "plan" and sites you cannot visit without changing your subscription and paying additional fees.

Services that are presently open to all will be disconnected if the telecom delivering your internet service fears that they compete with the telecom.

An open internet that welcomes all who wish to publish material to it, with the expectation that all who want to view it can actually do so, is about to die.
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Re: The Internet & Computers

Postby Crux » 2010 Dec 20 21:53

What? The FCC and it's Democrat controllers are going to sell us out to The Big Corporations? Even Obama's chosen Chairman Genachowski is POWERLESS to save us? Our best interests are not being served by the Democrat Party controlled Federal Government? Say it isn't so...
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Re: The Internet & Computers

Postby Crux » 2010 Dec 21 07:48

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Re: The Internet & Computers

Postby Wise One » 2010 Dec 21 11:47

"If your only tool is a hammer, every problem looks like Donald Trump."

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Re: The Internet & Computers

Postby Crux » 2010 Dec 22 09:26

Faith? No, I do believe that the market will create goods and services that people and other businesses need and will use. Effective businesses will thrive, and grow. Others will fade. Manipulators will be with us too. Both corporate and governmental... The internet does need to stay the free inventive thriving decentralized reality we all enjoy.

I also think that there is no shortage of regulation in any industry by any stretch... Oil and Gas. Health Care. Day Care...Regulation. Financial industry. Regulation. I mean you cite Bernie Maddoff and AIG and suggest a lack of regulation? Cripes. Incompetence and one size fits all top down Government is the bigger problem. I'll not go into the glaring flaws in say, progressive or state-ist ideology...

Look. Time will tell certainly how well placed your faith is, in this foray into Net Neutrality, but I would submit again the following. The so-called net neutrality regulation foray will lead to negative unintended consequences... I am still not convinced that this isn't a solution in search of a problem.

We will get some stifling of the marketplace. Federal Taxes. A more expensive product. The State-ist Government invariably wishes to turn service providers into Federal Government Regulated "Utilities". I have, given what I see of Federal Government Do-Good-ing, a decided lack of faith that this to work out well.

The Fed touches, and makes it more expensive. Then we complain about how expensive it is, and too many of us clamor for the government to regulate further... As examples, Federal road building projects which MUST use union labor...20% more expensive, in a labor force which is 97% non-union... A 999 billion dollar Health Care Bill which is certainly to be 2999 billion dollar bill in short order, plus all it's numerous other negative ramifications...

Just like last Christmas, and the process such as it was, that gave us Obamacare, so called, here we go again. The 3-2 party line vote of the FCC in the midst of the Lame Duck Legislative Push. Merry Christmas, I don't like it.

Sure. Perhaps we come from different perspectives on this, and I understand that the Dems are trying to get all they can before the political winds change in a couple few weeks. This could have been worse. It could of always been worse. I just do not see this as making our access to the Web better.... Were we suffering?

I mean we are talking about the FCC, THE FCC!! What a bastion of freedom, competition, and liberty... Oh, and the fairness doctrine was a GOOD thing? How could I not understand that, or be concerned that the FCC could be used as a tool to limit offensive political speech. :usa2:
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Re: The Internet & Computers

Postby Wise One » 2011 Feb 18 02:06

As feared, . Republicans sucking up to the big telecoms for campaign money are on a path to shackle the FCC and destroy our vibrant and open internet that is so wonderfully fertile to innovation.

Make no mistake about it. The internet we know and love, presently open to all comers, all innovators, all businesses, all individuals, is about to be Balkanized and shackled by Comcast, Verizon and Time-Warner into a slavish copy of cable-TV. There will be dozens of Byzantine "plans" that you must choose among that allow access to some parts of the internet and close off others, rather than the present "everything rides the wire equally" system.

There will be new entry barriers for innovators and start-ups, new fees for both customers and content providers to pay to the big three, impenetrable new walls against anybody who dares to compete with services provided by the big three. Example. Verizon has already introduced blockages against its customers using Skype via wifi on cell phones. Watch them also block Skype on computers wired through their internet service because it competes with their own telephone services.

I listened to Republicans debate today. It was sickening. Repeatedly they said that "net neutrality" will threaten free enterprise and innovation, the exact opposite of reality. We already have net neutrality. That is what has allowed a million flowers to bloom. The big three are hell-bent determined to destroy net neutrality and will do so the instant they see that Congress and the FCC no longer have the will to protect us.

The next Google, the next Facebook, the next Apple i-Tunes, the next Amazon will not be grown in America. Innovators will not put up with pay walls, throttling, complex approval and licensing barriers. They will flee to more hospitable countries. Republicans are determined to destroy America's leadership position in internet technology.

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SCARY

Postby Crux » 2011 Feb 18 08:56

...so what is the most egregious and wicked thing an ISP has done so far that has made NN so necessary?
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Re: The Internet & Computers

Postby Wise One » 2011 Feb 18 10:27

You are not ignorant. You are willfully ignorant.

The problem is not so much what the 3 big ISPs have already done, but what they are poised to do. Their intentions are clear and they will certainly break the internet as we know it. They will use their monopoly power, as monopolists always do, to crush competition unfairly, to raise prices, and to control the market so as to make it hostile to potential competitors. The first jabs have already appeared: Comcast throttles internet traffic it does not like, Verizon blocks its cell phones from using wifi for Skype VOIP calls forcing customers to use the less efficient and more costly cell network minutes. Comcast just bought NBC entertainment and is martialing plans to make its internet pipes hostile to other services offering content that competes with NBC.

We've seen this movie before. Against all warnings, the incredibly successful Glass-Steagall wall between commercial and investment banking was demolished setting the stage for abuses causing the financial meltdown. Against all warnings, mortgage industry regulations were gutted setting he stage for abuses that caused the housing crash. Against all warnings, incredibly successful regulations of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission were gutted, setting the stage for derivatives and securitized mortgage abuses that has the financial industry teetering on the edge, kept from falling only by massive taxpayer bailouts that also imperil the Nation.

Sensible people anticipate the future and learn from past mistakes. Republican elephants, unlike real elephants, remember nothing and steadfastly maintain a willful ignorance of the laws of nature and economics.
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Re: The Internet & Computers

Postby Buck Turgidson » 2011 Mar 14 17:38

It was interesting going through this stuff on internet neutrality. Thanks to you guys I know more about it now.

I found today, Al Franken being interviewed on the topic. It's a pretty good nontechnical discussion.

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Re: The Internet & Computers

Postby Trend Setter » 2011 Mar 16 10:13

Whatever the issue, you can always count on Republicans to .

PS. . See what I mean?

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Postby Wise One » 2011 Jul 15 19:23

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