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Crux
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Re: The Internet & Computers

Postby Crux » 2014 May 16 21:00

So let me get this straight.

Wise One wrote:It was the statements of most commissioners that were downright disturbing. These guys are supposed to protect the public interest ... it's the law, but that is not what they are doing.

While it's good that FCC will solicit broad public testimony, the ultimate decision still rests with these guys. I have no illusion that they care one whit about what they are about to hear. Their minds are made up and they will probably vote the wrong way.

So it may take a change in law to to tell the FCC what they must do. That's s a very long shot, since Congress is presently Republican and may become even more so after the mid-term election. Very depressing.



Now, it is the Dems who hold a majority position on the FCC Board, right? I mean as appointed. They might GET IT WRONG?

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Re: The Internet & Computers

Postby Wise One » 2014 May 17 00:21

I'll have to check. I thought it was 50/50 with the chair (dunno whether he's R or D) as a former telecom exec swinging the balance.

:coffee:

PS. Just checked, and I was right.
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Pointing out the obvious.

Postby Crux » 2014 May 19 15:02

So the leftists (NOT liberals) here on the forum are in a TIZZY. Even the intellectual leader, the Arrogant One is lamenting that the FCC might UNDUE FREEDOM AND LIBERTY of the internet, and it WILL GET WORSE if the portents are true that the EVIL REPUBLICANS take over in 2014 midterm elections. Yet, the Dems control the politically appointed FCC Board. Some how AO is "RIGHT" that it is a 50 50 split and it is, well let's check, YUP, it is a DEMOCRAT majority counting the chair, though he does not identify the chair. Look. It is and has been a fiction for a long time that the RICH, the WEALTHY and the politically POWERFUL are somehow evilly the REPUBLICANS. The3 Democrats have been winning quite nicely by pulling together a coalition of BIG BUSINESS, BIG GOVERNMENT, types made up of those earning less than 40K and more than 100K. The rest, well, they tend to vote for the evil Republicans. Figure it out for yourself..

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Re: The Internet & Computers

Postby Coondog » 2014 May 19 15:45

First, there is no such thing as the Democrat Party. It's called the Democratic Party! Seldom does a speech impediment transfer into writing.....but if it's necessary for comprehension, one supposes that we can refer to the conservative branch as Republi Party.
Sounds kind of Mexican, eh? What other words might we drop letters off the end of to make them sound audibly less attractive?

Second....not everything is entirely a left vs right issue. Anyone who lines up 100% on either side of that spectrum is a complete idiot.

Third.....it's not about how much money one has, it's what one does with that money.

There is no question that there is big money on both sides of the political spectrum. One plays by the rules (or lack thereof) as they exist. This is necessary to compete, whether you agree with them or not.

The point is, one side believes that unlimited dark money is a corrupting force in politics. The other clearly does not. One side seeks to limit the impact of singular influence, the other wishes to expand it.

One side wants to limit access of certain legitimate voters to the polls, the other wants to expand it.

One side is self serving, the other seeks to serve the interests of the broader population.

Money.....Power......its how you use it that counts. Breaking down limitations that stand to preserve equity of membership in society, whether it be in the form of influence trafficking or firearm usage, serves to destroy that equity and society as a whole.

We can embrace some sort of compromise....or we might as well start shooting one another right now and get it over with!

Coondog

According to old WWII footage, it looks something like this:

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What silliness.

Postby Crux » 2014 May 19 15:53

I love it when you spout off because it is so HIGH-LARIOUS! You are entitled to your delusions.
You often employ the shotgun approach full of sweeping generalities and the buckshot of bullshit...

crux (no smiley necessary)

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Re: The Internet & Computers

Postby Wise One » 2014 Jun 02 19:13

John Oliver packs a lot of truth, very directly, in this wonderfully entertaining piece.

And here's a more seriously educational example of incisive analysis.

:coffee:
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Re: The Internet & Computers

Postby Wise One » 2014 Jun 14 12:12

Here's an example of what is coming if the big Telecoms and Republicans break the content-neutral internet.

Naturally, nothing will be "sped up." In reality, everything will be slowed down unless it's paid for three times:
  • once in the subscription you already have,
  • and again, in a subscriber surcharge for a "fast lane",
  • and again, by content providers in a protection racket.

:coffee:
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Re: The Internet & Computers

Postby Neck-aint-red » 2014 Jul 16 10:34

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Re: The Internet & Computers

Postby fangz1956 » 2014 Aug 31 11:25

Battle for the Net September 10


if we don't fight the good fight, nobody else will.


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Ever looked at someone and thought "the wheel is turning but the hamster is dead"?

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Re: The Internet & Computers

Postby Wise One » 2014 Sep 21 20:27

I'm a completely free and open markets kind of guy, and an ardent supporter of net neutrality.

But when I see the sleazy stuff both our telecoms and our NSA are attempting to foist on us, applied noxiously to internet traffic in and out of China, I'm tempted to lean another way.

Chinese government internet goons are harming not only their people, but also us and US commerce.

I frequently buy quality merchandise at incredibly low prices, shipped FREE, directly from China from both TMart and Alibaba, the latter having the biggest NYSE IPO ever last week. They are great, but maybe its time for the US to cut the internet pipes to TMart and Alibaba in retaliation?

It's actually a terrible idea, a negotiated cure that opens all pipes is far better, but at some point we can no longer be timid about wielding this as a credible threat.

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Re: The Internet & Computers

Postby Buck Turgidson » 2014 Sep 22 17:24

Internet lesson for those who may not know what "cut the internet pipes" means:

  • China does not, literally, cut any pipes, cables, or wires
  • It supervises all Domain Name Servers (DNS) within China's borders. There are hundreds scattered around the world.
  • Using stored lookup tables,a DNS server translates a symbolic address into the true numerical address of the desired content server. Example: thenews-gazette.com translates to 66.228.46.13
  • China simply deletes the table entries it doesn't like from the DNS servers that it controls.
There are ways around this for sophisticated users who want to circumvent DNS deletions, but they are extremely inconvenient and so China succeeds in blocking 99% of traffic to those sites.

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Re: The Internet & Computers

Postby Wise One » 2014 Nov 15 17:47

You nailed it.

On Net Neutrality, Giant Telecom and Republicans seem intent on breaking the internet. Why? Because it is more evident every day that people hate the cable service they provide. They are rushing ever faster to dump cable and replace it with content via the internet.

What's the response of Giant Telecoms and the Republican Party? To make the open internet just as awful as cable TV! (High prices, no competition, content gatekeepers, new fees to both providers and users, mandatory bundles, etc.)

Here's my solution:
  • Not only should the internet be neutral, accepting all data packets from every source and to any destination at the same cost and priority, we should also
  • Enact an internet equivalent of Glass-Steagall, and make it illegal for any company to sell both content and connectivity. Selling both creates a huge conflict of interest that is harmful to consumers, as we have already seen many times.
Let's make companies decide what business they want to be in: content or delivery. Telecoms presently doing both would be required by law to spin off one or the other to become a new and independent entity with no continuing ties to the parent.

:coffee:
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Re: The Internet & Computers

Postby Trend Setter » 2014 Dec 03 17:29

Yes.

Step by step, Big Telecom is closing down the Internet with anti-competitive schemes like this one.

We really need a rule that preserves the internet as a competitive marketplace, with strong net neutrality rules. Once bytes have been launched, telecoms should never interfere with their delivery, nor should they be allowed to double-charge fees.

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Re: The Internet & Computers

Postby Crux » 2014 Dec 03 20:28

YES let's get a little net NEUTRALITY with our AFFORDABLE care.

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Re: The Internet & Computers

Postby Wise One » 2015 Feb 03 11:36

A glimmer of news from the FCC that could be beneficial:
:coffee:
"If your only tool is a hammer, every problem looks like Donald Trump."

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Neutrality my ASS

Postby Crux » 2015 Feb 09 19:43

Count on Big Government Control. Count on old tech and monopoly. Count on Progressive Utility.

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-n ... story.html

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/joseph-ros ... egulations

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Re: The Internet & Computers

Postby Wise One » 2015 Feb 10 09:41

Crux can always be counted on to support the top dog over the underdog. Among Chaffetz's top contributors were, guess who, the telecoms Verizon and Comcast who want mightily to take over the internet and convert it into their private cash cow.

And the second article us just junk, lousy journalism that merely whines.

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The FCC, Progressives, CONTROL, and the Fed will eff the net

Postby Crux » 2015 Feb 19 10:07

No one objects to Congress passing a law specifying that Internet providers can’t discriminate against or block legal websites.

THAT, is not NN. Get ready for LESS build-out of cable/broadband. Netflix and Comcast should work this out. Comcast builds the pipeline and if Netflix pays for more build-out, Comcast will do it... The Federal government will stymie growth, favor and entrench older established tech, TAX THE NET, create more regulation and censorship for the consumer, etc...

Just watch. http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/why ... 58283.html

And when Lee says that the American public isn't aware of what's going on, that is in no way hyperbole. FCC Commissioner Ajit Pai has emerged as a hero for those opposed to the regulation because Pai has been taking to the airwaves decrying the fact that the public is not allowed to see 332 pages of proposed internet regulation before they are potentially passed. Pai's crusade to make the proposed regulations public is the theme of the the latest ad from Protect Internet Freedom: http://www.protectinternetfreedom.com/

REALLY want to side on the Liberty for All team? Don't believe the "net NEUTRALITY" moniker. DIG for the truth...

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We The People

Postby Crux » 2015 Feb 25 17:11

Net Neutrality, as supported by the Left, AO and all the rest of the soldiers here, will prove detrimental to all of us...

crux, me, I will be shown to have been on the CORRECT side of this issue. Good article here.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/02/d ... duct-rules
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Get on the correct side.

Postby Crux » 2015 Feb 25 18:42

Please. Fangz. AO. Consider...

http://www.cnbc.com/id/102450407 If you don't watch this you are losing out.

DON'T give up the power of a FREE INTERNET.

"Net Neutrality" Is Insane!!!