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Hi-speed in the Sticks

Postby Trend Setter » 2010 Aug 18 23:33

Thanks, Fangz.
The wonderful advancement announcement below promises to turn on the real internet for many in these parts.
Let's hope that Fangz's efforts keep the corporate weasels from turning it off again!
The August 18, 2010 online edition of The News-Gazette wrote:Rockbridge Gets $7 Million Broadband Grant

The Rockbridge area’s bid to secure federal stimulus funding for fiber optic broadband service has been successful.

A nearly $7 million grant has been awarded to the Rockbridge Area Network Authority for bringing broadband service to the area. The planned project is expected to create more than 100 new jobs. Washington and Lee University is a partner in the venture, with plans to invest $2 million in a central data center.

The project is to make affordable middle-mile broadband service available throughout the Rockbridge area. Broadband is to be directly connected to up to 50 community institutions.

The grant is one of 94 announced Wednesday by Vice President Joe Biden, representing $1.8 billion in grants that are part of the $7 billion American Recovery and Reinvestment Act , signed into law last year by President Barack Obama.
“Today's investment in broadband technology will create jobs across the country and expand opportunities for millions of Americans and American companies,” said Biden.. “In addition to bringing 21st century infrastructure to underserved communities and rural areas, these investments will begin to harness the power of broadband to improve education, health care, and public safety. The awards are another great example of how the Recovery Act is creating jobs upfront, while also building a foundation for sustainable job creation and global competitiveness.”

U.S. Commerce Secretary Gary Locke said, “The broadband investments announced today are going to put people to work in the near term, but they also will lay the groundwork for sustainable economic growth down the road. These projects will connect Americans who have for too long been without the full economic, educational and social benefits of high-speed Internet access – access central to success in the 21st century.”

The federal stimulus legislation, signed by Obama on Feb. 17, 2009, was designed to jumpstart the nation’s economy, create or save millions of jobs, and put a down payment on addressing long-neglected challenges so that the country can thrive in the 21st century. The act includes measures to modernize the nation’s infrastructure, enhance energy independence, expand educational opportunities, preserve and improve affordable health care, provide tax relief, and protect those in greatest need.

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Re: The Internet & Computers

Postby Wise One » 2010 Aug 19 08:47


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Re: The Internet & Computers

Postby fangz1956 » 2010 Aug 20 08:12

Somebody is listening. Senator Mark Warner's reply to my comments follows.

Dear Ms. Tuttle,

Thank you for contacting me regarding open access to the Internet, also known as net neutrality. I appreciate the benefit of your views.

In 2005, the Supreme Court ruled that broadband service should be considered an interstate information service which is subject to less stringent federal oversight under Title I of the 1934 Communications Act. Later that year, the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) ruled that telephone company Internet access services would also be considered interstate information services. Therefore, both telephone and cable companies were no longer required to adhere to the stricter non-discrimination laws originally required when broadband services were considered to be telecommunications services under Title II of the 1934 law. These two rulings in 2005 set off a debate about net neutrality and the question of whether legislation is needed to ensure fair access to broadband networks and services.

As the co-founder of a major wireless telecommunications company, I know how important it is to create an environment that gives businesses an incentive to increase broadband deployment and provides a return on capital. I support policies that will allow for an open, well-managed Internet. Similar types of Internet traffic should be treated comparably by Internet service providers in order to maintain the undisputed value of the Internet. Service providers should not be able to degrade or block service to websites, nor should they be able to provide better service only to their own subsidiaries or to websites with which they have set up preferential service agreements. Instead, Internet service providers should be able to manage network traffic without discriminating against anyone to ensure all consumers have a good experience on the web.

In 2008, the FCC found that Comcast had illegally blocked a peer-to-peer networking site, BitTorrent. Comcast sued the FCC and on April 6, 2010, the D.C. Court of Appeals panel reversed the FCC's 2008 finding against Comcast Communications P2P network management. The court ruling required the FCC to revisit the issue of how to oversee broadband service.

In response, the FCC issued a proposal that would reclassify broadband service under part of Title II and the agency has opened a public comment period to study the issue further. On June 24, 2010, I sent a letter to FCC Chairman Genachowski expressing my support for the Commission's decision to solicit public comments regarding oversight of broadband networks. I encouraged the Commission to negotiate a compromise that maintains open access to Internet content and allows network service providers to manage high-bandwidth usage. I have attached a copy of that letter for your review.

Again, thank you for taking the time to share your views with me. As we move forward in the 111th Congress, please continue to be in touch with your opinions and concerns.

Sincerely,
MARK R. WARNER
United States Senator


He did attach a copy of his letter to the Chairman of the FCC which is in a format not sharable here.
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Re: The Internet & Computers

Postby Wise One » 2010 Sep 28 08:09

Thanks so much for pushing on this, Fangz. Most people have no idea what the telcos have in mind for the internet ... it is not good and will destroy its most valuable features.

But wait, it gets worse. The Obama administration is now clearly on a course to big brotherhood, seeking powers to impose the same snooping practiced by Saudi Arabia, China, and other unsavory authoritarian regimes. This must be fought.

But wait, it gets even worse. Democrats have caved and have gutted their own proposed legislation to assert regulatory authority over net neutrality. With friends like this, who needs ... ?

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Re: The Internet & Computers

Postby Wise One » 2010 Nov 06 13:27

The election has ramifications for Net Neutrality.

Sadly, with Republican help, it looks as though the telecom bastards are going to capture the internet after all. Gone will be the open internet. Instead they will create an internet that is Byzantine with fees, "plans" that restrict access, and a hundred other impairments and swindles we haven't even heard of yet.

Did Republican House Landslide Kill Net Neutrality?
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Postby Trend Setter » 2010 Nov 23 11:49

Note: Printed directories will still be available upon request, just not sent automatically to all subscribers. As more of us dump wired phones for wireless phones, the directory will get skinnier each year.

Mary Price, in the Nov17, 2010 News-Gazette wrote:Verizon Asks For End Of White Pages For All
By the end of the year, getting someone’s home telephone number the old-fashioned way could be a thing of the past for some Virginia customers.

The Virginia State Corporation Commission is considering a request by Verizon Communications to stop publishing the “white pages,” or residential phone numbers, in its telephone directories. Those wishing to comment on Verizon’s request have until this Friday, Nov. 19, to do so.

Verizon serves a portion of northeastern Rockbridge County.

Verizon representatives have told state regulators that printing residential listings is unnecessary in a day and age when almost everyone has an Internet connection or smart phone and can therefore look up a phone number online.

If the state SCC grants Verizon’s request, residential listings will only be distributed to customers who request them. Yellow pages, which contain business and professional listings, would continue to be printed and distributed in the traditional fashion.

Ken Schrad, spokesman for the SCC, told The News- Gazette that he cannot predict when the SCC will rule on the telephone company’s request to stop publishing residential listings. He did say, though, that Verizon indicated in its filing with the SCC that 2011 telephone directories would need to go to press in January.

Already, Verizon has received permission to stop mass publication of the white pages in New York, Florida and Pennsylvania.

A spokesman for Verizon said this week that it is possible that in areas that have combined white and yellow pages in their phone books, the company may decide to keep the white pages in the book that is mailed out to everyone.

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In a separate matter, the SCC is also considering a request by several local telephone companies to drop a law requiring that customers be provided two free calls per month to directory assistance. Three free calls was once the provision, but the number was lowered to two in December 2008.

Schrad said that when the SCC held a public hearing in Richmond last week on eliminating the two free call requirement, no one showed up to speak. The Commission did receive some written comments, though. An SCC decision on eliminating the free calls is expected any day.

The Commission may hold a public hearing on Verizon’s request to stop publishing the white pages, but no date has been set for such a hearing. If a hearing is scheduled, it will be announced on the Commission’s Web site at http://www.scc.virginia.gov.

Those wishing to submit comments, or request a public hearing, should do so by writing to the following address: Clerk of the Commission, Document Control Center, P.O. Box 2118, Richmond, Va. 23218. Comments should include the reference number PUC-2010-00046.

It’s also possible to submit comments online, at http://www.scc.virginia.gov/case .

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Re: The Internet & Computers

Postby Wise One » 2010 Nov 30 09:47

So now it has happened. The attack on internet neutrality has now shifted into aggressive and destructive high gear.
  • Comcast attacks Netflix anti-competitively. Only because it competes with Comcast's own cable TV offerings, Netflix is being dunned for additional fees that no other web site pays.
  • Verizon attacks Skype anticompetitively. Although it lets you use your Android telephone to make Skype international telephone calls, it charges you cell phone minutes even though you have wi-fi that is capable of bypassing its network and have already paid for data services. If you call in the US and compete with Verizon's own phone services, then you'll be switched over to Verizon against your will and pay in cell phone minutes. Furthermore, Verizon totally disables your wi-fi during your use of Skype, prohibiting you from using the web except through their data network.
Unless the FCC, with the support of Congress, acts to defend us, watch the services you have come to expect and which would otherwise appear as innovations on the internet disappear one by one behind new pay walls, complex "subscription" plans, and a million other chicaneries yet to be invented.

You can bet your last dollar that Republicans will not defend internet neutrality. And that last dollar is going, by way of your telecom, straight into Republican campaign coffers.
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Re: The Internet & Computers

Postby Amy Probenski » 2010 Dec 01 10:24

That is very interesting.

Did you see this note in the newspaper today?

A big battle is about to be waged within the Federal Communications Commission. It seems to confirm your warning that, as always, it will be Republicans versus common sense.

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Re: The Internet & Computers

Postby Neck-aint-red » 2010 Dec 01 23:12

A Ray of Hope for a few Rockbridge residents who are otherwise bandwidth-impaired:
Mary Price on Dec 1, 2010 in The News-Gazette wrote:Broadband Via Internet Gets Stimulus Boost

Rockbridge County residents who still don’t have access to broadband Internet service can now benefit from a federal program designed to bring high-speed Internet connections to people living in rural areas.

Hughes Net, a company which provides broadband Internet via satellite, has been awarded $58 million through the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. The money will be used to underwrite a portion of the cost for new subscribers, who can now get the company’s satellite dish installed at their homes for free and pay only $40 per month for basic service. There is no contract, as there typically is with a cell phone plan.

The Hughes Net offer is only good for those who have no other access to broadband Internet service. In Rockbridge County, though, that still leaves the majority of the population as eligible. Eric Smeltzer, whose company, Rockbridge Telecom, is a Hughes Net dealer, told The News-Gazette that there are approximately 13,000 eligible addresses in the county. To determine someone’s eligibility, Smeltzer simply enters his or her address into a computer program. So far, eight out of 10 addresses have met the specifications.

Smeltzer said that there are very few strings attached to this offer. The only requirements are a clear view of the southern sky and a valid credit or debit card for monthly billing. He added that the improvement from dial-up Internet service is dramatic, with download speeds approximately 10 times faster.

Smeltzer said that the $40 per month price, which is a savings of $20 off the regular price, is good for at least two years. Those who terminate their service in less than two years from the date of installation must return the equipment — a modem and a radio transmitter that’s attached to the dish — to Rockbridge Telecom or pay an early termination fee.

For more information about this program, call Rockbridge Telecom at 463-1947.

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Re: The Internet & Computers

Postby Wise One » 2010 Dec 20 20:47

It seems that the FCC is about to surrender to the big telecoms. This looks really, really bad.

So wrap your mind around the idea of the internet transformed into a carbon copy of cable television. That is, there will be complex bundles of sites you can visit under your "plan" and sites you cannot visit without changing your subscription and paying additional fees.

Services that are presently open to all will be disconnected if the telecom delivering your internet service fears that they compete with the telecom.

An open internet that welcomes all who wish to publish material to it, with the expectation that all who want to view it can actually do so, is about to die.
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Re: The Internet & Computers

Postby Crux » 2010 Dec 20 21:53

What? The FCC and it's Democrat controllers are going to sell us out to The Big Corporations? Even Obama's chosen Chairman Genachowski is POWERLESS to save us? Our best interests are not being served by the Democrat Party controlled Federal Government? Say it isn't so...
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Postby Crux » 2010 Dec 21 07:48

Wise One wrote:It seems that the FCC is about to surrender to the big telecoms. This looks really, really bad.

So wrap your mind around the idea of the internet transformed into a carbon copy of cable television. That is, there will be complex bundles of sites you can visit under your "plan" and sites you cannot visit without changing your subscription and paying additional fees.

Services that are presently open to all will be disconnected if the telecom delivering your internet service fears that they compete with the telecom.

An open internet that welcomes all who wish to publish material to it, with the expectation that all who want to view it can actually do so, is about to die.


Look. If Verizon say, wishes to Deny you access to Google on your Droid, or Apple I-Phones will only let you access Yahoo if you get the Platinum Bundle at $49.99 per month, that just might be a very POOR business model.

...now from the Tea Party Thread.

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crux wrote:This Bill included the "Net Neutrality"-"open internet" Bill, another Federal Government regulatory power grab, a threat to the Internet we all enjoy. Think "regulation of FREE political SPEECH" and free access to information...

Don't you have this one backwards, Crux?

The telecoms are the parties about to shut down free speech. True "net neutrality" regulations would have preserved an internet open to free speech and communications. Instead, it seems that the FCC and Obama and the Congress have all caved to moneyed interests whose objective is anything but freedom and openness..

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The Telecoms will not shut down free speech... You, nor They, "can stop the signal", I am guessing, without the collaboration of Ponderous Big Government, and the FCC.

A free and informed people will clamor for the Signal...

The Federal Government is constantly Regulating the consumer into higher prices, Picking Corporate Winners in the marketplace when "striking deals", and stifling innovation.

A free and innovative business community will create the solutions you look for much quicker than Big Daddy Obama. If it is an insurmountable hurdle of technology to create enough wireless bandwidth for say, doctors in the midle of an operation to use their wireless device to pull up patient history, the survice provider just might have to charge more if it gives the doctor more access...

It was the Federal Court which slapped Obama's FCC Regulatory hand, and told them to leave Broadband alone...

Look at Cable... and satellite TV. Compare this to the 19-70s say. We have WAY more content. I look for Power Over Folks at the FCC, or in the Federal Government to use their Power, Rules and Regulations to Stifle Free Political Speech.

The Telecoms and Wireless Networks, and technology itself will continue to Innovate, Create and Grow. All the while SELLING the Stuff you love...

Central State Planning didn't create Microsoft, Apple, Yahoo, Facebook, etc.

The Federal Government DID create TOO BIG TO FAIL however...
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Re: The Internet & Computers

Postby Wise One » 2010 Dec 21 11:47

Me head's a'spinnin', partly because of possible fundamental differences in how we view the real operation of the real world, and logical mis-steps in your argument. A few responses appear below.
crux wrote:Look. If Verizon say, wishes to Deny you access to Google on your Droid, or Apple I-Phones will only let you access Yahoo if you get the Platinum Bundle at $49.99 per month, that just might be a very POOR business model.
Yes, poor in many ways which I'll hold off enumerating. I take it that your unwritten argument is that the market will somehow punish the operators of a "poor business model." This is an article of ultraconservative/libertarian faith but it seems to have little relation to how the world really works.

Kenneth Lay, AIG, and Bernie Madoff all operated "poor business models." Their customers/investors, too late, now wish that sensible basic regulation had applied to all so that reckless gambling with other people's money had been prevented. It would be hard to say that these characters were punished by "the market". More accurate would be to say that their customers, investors and the American public were punished, the perpetrators' punishment being uneven and disproportionally light. In these cases there were at least some laws, not enough, that applied. So far, in the case of internet chicanery, there is no force standing in the way of telecoms doing whatever they damn well please that is unscrupulous, anti-competitive, and usurious.

The glaring flaw in libertarian arguments is a refusal to recognize that some markets lack the elements of diversity and competition that are essential for them to operate fairly. Most telecoms operate in local markets in which they either hold a monopoly, or the number of competitors is 1 so that collusion (active or passive) allows rapacious treatment of the customer. A responsibility of government to the taxpayer is to recognize monopolistic and oligopolistic markets and to prescribe rules that protect the public because the market does not operate normally.

crux wrote:The Telecoms will not shut down free speech... You, nor They, "can stop the signal", I am guessing, without the collaboration of Ponderous Big Government, and the FCC. A free and informed people will clamor for the Signal...
Yes. And how do they do that? By crawling on their knees the the monopolist, crying "Please, Sir, more porridge?" Or by asking their elected officials and public commissions to act in the public interest through sensible regulation of harmful practices? The first way is a fool's errand, and the second at least has a chance even though the regulators these days are sometimes in the pay of the monopolists.

crux wrote:The Federal Government is constantly Regulating the consumer into higher prices, Picking Corporate Winners in the marketplace when "striking deals", and stifling innovation.

A free and innovative business community will create the solutions you look for much quicker than Big Daddy Obama. If it is an insurmountable hurdle of technology to create enough wireless bandwidth for say, doctors in the midle of an operation to use their wireless device to pull up patient history, the survice provider just might have to charge more if it gives the doctor more access...
This is ideological diatribe. Both private and public sectors contribute, each in its way, toward innovation, efficiency and progress. The commercial products and services and organizational behaviors that had their origin in both sectors are many and important and valuable.

crux wrote:It was the Federal Court which slapped Obama's FCC Regulatory hand, and told them to leave Broadband alone...
You are correct as to the facts, if hyperbolic as to what actually happened. The court found that the FCC law as written and applied, for fairly narrow technical reasons, did not extend to the precise action that was challenged. It is misleading to imply that the FCC has no authority over broadband communications.

crux wrote:Look at Cable... and satellite TV. Compare this to the 19-70s say. We have WAY more content. I look for Power Over Folks at the FCC, or in the Federal Government to use their Power, Rules and Regulations to Stifle Free Political Speech.
Correct as to cable producing much content. What is mystifying is conflating ideological bias against regulation with stifling free speech. You didn't quite do this explicitly, but righties are fond of attacking the "fairness doctrine", as if there were anybody on the planet favoring it any more. There aren't. It existed long ago, in an era when one or two TV stations held monopolies in local markets, acting themselves to stifle speech not to their liking. Because we did not then have the diversity of communications channels that now exist, the FCC briefly acted to create a more open approach that would allow and encourage free speech and a diversity of views. Because we have a multiplicity of communications channels and modes, it is no longer necessary. Even then, the Fairness Doctrine did not "stifle free speech," it promoted it by encouraging a platform for many views.

crux wrote:The Telecoms and Wireless Networks, and technology itself will continue to Innovate, Create and Grow. All the while SELLING the Stuff you love...Central State Planning didn't create Microsoft, Apple, Yahoo, Facebook, etc.
True, but a red herring because nobody would argue to the contrary, certainly not I. All of the examples you cite are riding on technologies that had their origin in federal government research and development.

crux wrote:The Federal Government DID create TOO BIG TO FAIL however...
Wrong. By using their political power to cause the dismantling of sensible financial regulation that would have prevented the financial collapse, the big financial institutions themselves created this concept and reality.
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Re: The Internet & Computers

Postby Crux » 2010 Dec 22 09:26

Faith? No, I do believe that the market will create goods and services that people and other businesses need and will use. Effective businesses will thrive, and grow. Others will fade. Manipulators will be with us too. Both corporate and governmental... The internet does need to stay the free inventive thriving decentralized reality we all enjoy.

I also think that there is no shortage of regulation in any industry by any stretch... Oil and Gas. Health Care. Day Care...Regulation. Financial industry. Regulation. I mean you cite Bernie Maddoff and AIG and suggest a lack of regulation? Cripes. Incompetence and one size fits all top down Government is the bigger problem. I'll not go into the glaring flaws in say, progressive or state-ist ideology...

Look. Time will tell certainly how well placed your faith is, in this foray into Net Neutrality, but I would submit again the following. The so-called net neutrality regulation foray will lead to negative unintended consequences... I am still not convinced that this isn't a solution in search of a problem.

We will get some stifling of the marketplace. Federal Taxes. A more expensive product. The State-ist Government invariably wishes to turn service providers into Federal Government Regulated "Utilities". I have, given what I see of Federal Government Do-Good-ing, a decided lack of faith that this to work out well.

The Fed touches, and makes it more expensive. Then we complain about how expensive it is, and too many of us clamor for the government to regulate further... As examples, Federal road building projects which MUST use union labor...20% more expensive, in a labor force which is 97% non-union... A 999 billion dollar Health Care Bill which is certainly to be 2999 billion dollar bill in short order, plus all it's numerous other negative ramifications...

Just like last Christmas, and the process such as it was, that gave us Obamacare, so called, here we go again. The 3-2 party line vote of the FCC in the midst of the Lame Duck Legislative Push. Merry Christmas, I don't like it.

Sure. Perhaps we come from different perspectives on this, and I understand that the Dems are trying to get all they can before the political winds change in a couple few weeks. This could have been worse. It could of always been worse. I just do not see this as making our access to the Web better.... Were we suffering?

I mean we are talking about the FCC, THE FCC!! What a bastion of freedom, competition, and liberty... Oh, and the fairness doctrine was a GOOD thing? How could I not understand that, or be concerned that the FCC could be used as a tool to limit offensive political speech. :usa2:
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Re: The Internet & Computers

Postby Wise One » 2011 Feb 18 02:06

As feared, the bastards did it. Republicans sucking up to the big telecoms for campaign money are on a path to shackle the FCC and destroy our vibrant and open internet that is so wonderfully fertile to innovation.

Make no mistake about it. The internet we know and love, presently open to all comers, all innovators, all businesses, all individuals, is about to be Balkanized and shackled by Comcast, Verizon and Time-Warner into a slavish copy of cable-TV. There will be dozens of Byzantine "plans" that you must choose among that allow access to some parts of the internet and close off others, rather than the present "everything rides the wire equally" system.

There will be new entry barriers for innovators and start-ups, new fees for both customers and content providers to pay to the big three, impenetrable new walls against anybody who dares to compete with services provided by the big three. Example. Verizon has already introduced blockages against its customers using Skype via wifi on cell phones. Watch them also block Skype on computers wired through their internet service because it competes with their own telephone services.

I listened to Republicans debate today. It was sickening. Repeatedly they said that "net neutrality" will threaten free enterprise and innovation, the exact opposite of reality. We already have net neutrality. That is what has allowed a million flowers to bloom. The big three are hell-bent determined to destroy net neutrality and will do so the instant they see that Congress and the FCC no longer have the will to protect us.

The next Google, the next Facebook, the next Apple i-Tunes, the next Amazon will not be grown in America. Innovators will not put up with pay walls, throttling, complex approval and licensing barriers. They will flee to more hospitable countries. Republicans are determined to destroy America's leadership position in internet technology.

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Postby Crux » 2011 Feb 18 08:56

...so what is the most egregious and wicked thing an ISP has done so far that has made NN so necessary?
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Re: The Internet & Computers

Postby Wise One » 2011 Feb 18 10:27

You are not ignorant. You are willfully ignorant.

The problem is not so much what the 3 big ISPs have already done, but what they are poised to do. Their intentions are clear and they will certainly break the internet as we know it. They will use their monopoly power, as monopolists always do, to crush competition unfairly, to raise prices, and to control the market so as to make it hostile to potential competitors. The first jabs have already appeared: Comcast throttles internet traffic it does not like, Verizon blocks its cell phones from using wifi for Skype VOIP calls forcing customers to use the less efficient and more costly cell network minutes. Comcast just bought NBC entertainment and is martialing plans to make its internet pipes hostile to other services offering content that competes with NBC.

We've seen this movie before. Against all warnings, the incredibly successful Glass-Steagall wall between commercial and investment banking was demolished setting the stage for abuses causing the financial meltdown. Against all warnings, mortgage industry regulations were gutted setting he stage for abuses that caused the housing crash. Against all warnings, incredibly successful regulations of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission were gutted, setting the stage for derivatives and securitized mortgage abuses that has the financial industry teetering on the edge, kept from falling only by massive taxpayer bailouts that also imperil the Nation.

Sensible people anticipate the future and learn from past mistakes. Republican elephants, unlike real elephants, remember nothing and steadfastly maintain a willful ignorance of the laws of nature and economics.
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Re: The Internet & Computers

Postby Buck Turgidson » 2011 Mar 14 17:38

It was interesting going through this stuff on internet neutrality. Thanks to you guys I know more about it now.

I found this conversation today, Al Franken being interviewed on the topic. It's a pretty good nontechnical discussion.

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Re: The Internet & Computers

Postby Trend Setter » 2011 Mar 16 10:13

Whatever the issue, you can always count on Republicans to take the wrong side.

PS. Another one. See what I mean?

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