American Healthcare

Main discussion area is here. Reply to a message to continue a discussion thread, or create your own new Topics.
User avatar
Crux
Posts: 3213
Joined: 2010 Dec 16 19:44
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/vendor/twig/twig/lib/Twig/Extension/Core.php on line 1266: count(): Parameter must be an array or an object that implements Countable

OOOO SINGLE PAYER!!!

Postby Crux » 2015 Jan 16 20:49


User avatar
fangz1956
Posts: 1124
Joined: 2007 Jul 07 10:16
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/vendor/twig/twig/lib/Twig/Extension/Core.php on line 1266: count(): Parameter must be an array or an object that implements Countable

Re: American Healthcare

Postby fangz1956 » 2015 Jan 17 06:58

Crux...Yank the knot outta your panties! You are off the mark here.

I am one of those foilks who has health insurance through my employer. And yes, we are a HUGE group. My portion (the amount deducted from my paycheck) comes to $3,146 per year. The deductible runs at around $2000 per year. I'll tell you right now that if I hadn't had this just for a broken knee, I could not have afforded the treatment and care for the injury.

Where you are missing the point in all of this is that the "bad guy" is not the government or the ACA per se. The root of the problem is that the big insurance companies wrote the law.......just like Citigroup just did on the budget fiasco. It is a patent case of the foxes guarding the henhouse. Single payer would eliminate the the big insurance companies from writing the law and reaping exorbitant profits off of the American people. And lest you forget, the current law is modeled directly from the Massachusettes plan originally designed by none other than Mittens Romney.

One more personal note: Right before Thanksgiving, a family member had an unexpected heart attack. He had gotten insurance through the ACA exchange. Now, if he hadn't had that plan in place (he is self-employed and individual coverage premiums without the ACA for self-employed folks is through the roof) he would have had to have declared bankruptcy. The cost of the emergency cardiac cath and a week stay (3 days in CCU) at the hospital totalled over $250,000! That would bankrupt anybody outside of the elite 1%.

You really need to dial back the drama and hysteria.......think realistically...and look at the big picture. You are too quick to jump to baseless, insane conclusions regarding the state of healthcare in America. The corporatists have turned it into a massive wealth machine carried on the backs of the sick, the infirm and the working class. That absolutely must change as the current state of medicine-for-profit is not sustainable in the long run.


:coffee:
Ever looked at someone and thought "the wheel is turning but the hamster is dead"?

User avatar
Crux
Posts: 3213
Joined: 2010 Dec 16 19:44
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/vendor/twig/twig/lib/Twig/Extension/Core.php on line 1266: count(): Parameter must be an array or an object that implements Countable

simple stuff

Postby Crux » 2015 Jan 17 18:03

I pay now, more than 7,200 dollars annually now for my insurance with a 12,000 dollar deductible. That is the CHEAPEST plan available.
This doesn't include my wife who has additional insurance for her through her employer.

You are simply INDITING the DEMOCRAT PARTY, SENATE HOUSE AND PRESIDENT that gave us the ACA. :tiphat:

Assume for a moment you are correct, that the insurance companies "wrote" the bill, which they decidedly did not.

:dontknow:

You Fangz, like every leftist CHEERED the passage as a good step forward. It wasn't. Not in total or nearly.
We will never agree that government is best suited to run the healthcare industry, or administrate insurance.
_____________________________________________________________________________________________________

As per the heart patient you speak of, I know really POOR folks who, without insurance BEFORE THE ACA,
have received all manner of WORLD CLASS TREATMENTS for heart issues, cancers of various kinds, etc... :coffee:

User avatar
Wise One
Posts: 1959
Joined: 2007 Nov 02 09:33
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/vendor/twig/twig/lib/Twig/Extension/Core.php on line 1266: count(): Parameter must be an array or an object that implements Countable

Re: simple stuff

Postby Wise One » 2015 Jan 17 22:16

"If your only tool is a hammer, every problem looks like Donald Trump."

User avatar
Crux
Posts: 3213
Joined: 2010 Dec 16 19:44
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/vendor/twig/twig/lib/Twig/Extension/Core.php on line 1266: count(): Parameter must be an array or an object that implements Countable

So I am right again.

Postby Crux » 2015 Jan 18 10:15

In so far as the ACA is a huge piece of bad legislation written by the big corporate insurance companies, it was 100% undeniably then at least co-written and voted into being by DEMOCRAT SENATORS, DEMOCRAT HOUSE MEMBERS and a DEMOCRAT PRESIDENT. So the corporatocracy, the crony capitalism, the dirty little nexus of big government/big wall street business was foisted upon the Citizenry by DEMOCRATS.

The ACA. Democrats best thinking and legislation. :dontknow:

User avatar
Coondog
Posts: 1567
Joined: 2008 Jul 08 15:14
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/vendor/twig/twig/lib/Twig/Extension/Core.php on line 1266: count(): Parameter must be an array or an object that implements Countable

Re: American Healthcare

Postby Coondog » 2015 Jan 18 11:36

We can appreciate your perspective. Selective amnesia with regard to the painful process of development of the ACA must surely be of assistance when it comes to assignment of blame for one's individual plight.

What we do not have, for analysis and discussion, is a comparison between an expensive plan with Anthem which entails an absurdly high deductible and a similar plan under the ACA.

The only thing we know for sure is that if it is eventually, undeniably proved that the ACA is a success, republicans will attempt to take credit for it somehow.*

Coondog :naughty:

* Obama's failed economic policies.

User avatar
Crux
Posts: 3213
Joined: 2010 Dec 16 19:44
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/vendor/twig/twig/lib/Twig/Extension/Core.php on line 1266: count(): Parameter must be an array or an object that implements Countable

Single Payer Legislation EXISTS!!!

Postby Crux » 2015 Jan 19 11:26

States were allowed to opt out if they set up a Single Payer System. Vermont took the challenge:

http://nypost.com/2015/01/18/liberal-dr ... n-vermont/

"Vermont’s single-payer system would have delivered worse health care at a higher taxpayer cost.

It should have been no surprise then when late last month Vermont Gov. Peter Shumlin, a Democrat, announced that the state was giving up and abandoning its plans for Green Mountain Care.

That hasn’t dampened liberal enthusiasm. Legislation similar to Vermont’s is pending in several states, including Illinois, Massachusetts, Ohio, Oregon, Pennsylvania and Washington."
________________________________________

There's something that the Left (fangz right at cha sweetie) FAILS to see. :shakeh:

The ACA is a massive top down one size fits all DEMOCRAT D.C. cluster frack. There is a WISDOM the left fails to recognize.
The wisdom is STATE CONTROL. So when Massachusetts set up "Romneycare", which has been substantially changed ever since, in efforts to "FIX" it, that was structurally very different, and if flawed, more nimbly changed and tweaked.

50 States experimenting and seeking solutions is far far better.


User avatar
Amy Probenski
Posts: 457
Joined: 2007 Aug 28 17:06
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/vendor/twig/twig/lib/Twig/Extension/Core.php on line 1266: count(): Parameter must be an array or an object that implements Countable

Re: American Healthcare

Postby Amy Probenski » 2015 Jan 24 10:26

Well, well. Look who was .

User avatar
Juggler
Posts: 714
Joined: 2007 Jun 11 03:51
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/vendor/twig/twig/lib/Twig/Extension/Core.php on line 1266: count(): Parameter must be an array or an object that implements Countable

Re: American Healthcare

Postby Juggler » 2015 Feb 04 14:39


User avatar
Juggler
Posts: 714
Joined: 2007 Jun 11 03:51
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/vendor/twig/twig/lib/Twig/Extension/Core.php on line 1266: count(): Parameter must be an array or an object that implements Countable

Did somebody say "Shitty Insurance?"

Postby Juggler » 2015 Feb 06 11:24

Image

luckovich-obamacare.jpg
luckovich-obamacare.jpg (95.53 KiB) Viewed 3974 times

User avatar
Crux
Posts: 3213
Joined: 2010 Dec 16 19:44
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/vendor/twig/twig/lib/Twig/Extension/Core.php on line 1266: count(): Parameter must be an array or an object that implements Countable

My Little Brother is Lost

Postby Crux » 2015 Feb 06 16:40

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMBFWOwQhpg#t=32

Anti vaccination sentiment and caution runs all through the Left side of politics...

Just stop already if you aren't willing to be rational or think critically. You have a decided lack of DISCERNMENT regarding reality and fact.

User avatar
Neck-aint-red
Posts: 354
Joined: 2008 Apr 08 14:08
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/vendor/twig/twig/lib/Twig/Extension/Core.php on line 1266: count(): Parameter must be an array or an object that implements Countable

Re: My Little Brother is Lost

Postby Neck-aint-red » 2015 Feb 06 21:15


User avatar
Crux
Posts: 3213
Joined: 2010 Dec 16 19:44
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/vendor/twig/twig/lib/Twig/Extension/Core.php on line 1266: count(): Parameter must be an array or an object that implements Countable

Re: American Healthcare

Postby Crux » 2015 Feb 08 21:21


User avatar
fangz1956
Posts: 1124
Joined: 2007 Jul 07 10:16
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/vendor/twig/twig/lib/Twig/Extension/Core.php on line 1266: count(): Parameter must be an array or an object that implements Countable

Re: American Healthcare

Postby fangz1956 » 2015 Feb 15 16:48

Aha!! Apparently not all of Corporate America thinks that the ACA is a bad idea which should immediately snuffed out.




Even the ultra-conservative, dyed-in-the-wool Republican BOD of HCA can get it right sometimes.


:thumbup:
Ever looked at someone and thought "the wheel is turning but the hamster is dead"?

User avatar
Crux
Posts: 3213
Joined: 2010 Dec 16 19:44
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/vendor/twig/twig/lib/Twig/Extension/Core.php on line 1266: count(): Parameter must be an array or an object that implements Countable

Re: American Healthcare

Postby Crux » 2015 Feb 20 12:46

1 in 5 Healthcare.gov folks or 800,000 taxpayers, have gotten faulty info and have their taxes all screwed up by the Democrat Party, HHS, and the IRS. This is what was foretold. Your diet and taxes will be affected by Democrat Control. http://freebeacon.com/issues/feds-ameri ... ased-diet/

User avatar
Amy Probenski
Posts: 457
Joined: 2007 Aug 28 17:06
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/vendor/twig/twig/lib/Twig/Extension/Core.php on line 1266: count(): Parameter must be an array or an object that implements Countable

Re: American Healthcare

Postby Amy Probenski » 2015 Feb 24 10:03

Obamacare is a good baby step forward, but of why we need to replace a gazillion private insurers with a federal single payer that has good enforcement. Sure, Medicare makes mistakes too but the overall quality of their enforcement far exceeds that of many individual private insurers.

User avatar
Wise One
Posts: 1959
Joined: 2007 Nov 02 09:33
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/vendor/twig/twig/lib/Twig/Extension/Core.php on line 1266: count(): Parameter must be an array or an object that implements Countable

Re: American Healthcare

Postby Wise One » 2015 Feb 25 09:30

I agree, Amy, and here's some confirming it.

:coffee:
"If your only tool is a hammer, every problem looks like Donald Trump."

User avatar
Amy Probenski
Posts: 457
Joined: 2007 Aug 28 17:06
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/vendor/twig/twig/lib/Twig/Extension/Core.php on line 1266: count(): Parameter must be an array or an object that implements Countable

Re: American Healthcare

Postby Amy Probenski » 2015 Mar 26 11:48

My, my.

One Republican forgot their first rule.

Don't ask actual people (as opposed to your captive ideologues) any questions.

You might .

User avatar
Juggler
Posts: 714
Joined: 2007 Jun 11 03:51
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/vendor/twig/twig/lib/Twig/Extension/Core.php on line 1266: count(): Parameter must be an array or an object that implements Countable

Re: American Healthcare

Postby Juggler » 2015 Jun 24 12:43

bushtorturehealth.jpg
bushtorturehealth.jpg (61.2 KiB) Viewed 3925 times

User avatar
fangz1956
Posts: 1124
Joined: 2007 Jul 07 10:16
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/vendor/twig/twig/lib/Twig/Extension/Core.php on line 1266: count(): Parameter must be an array or an object that implements Countable

Re: American Healthcare

Postby fangz1956 » 2015 Jun 25 07:08

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Thanks Juggler. I needed a good laugh and that picture did it. Ya know, on closer inspection, he looks like he could be a cousin of mine.
Ever looked at someone and thought "the wheel is turning but the hamster is dead"?


[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/vendor/twig/twig/lib/Twig/Extension/Core.php on line 1266: count(): Parameter must be an array or an object that implements Countable