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whatever

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Re: American Healthcare

Postby fangz1956 » 2013 Dec 09 09:56



More Red State idiotic antics at play. Who suffers as a consequence???? EVERYBODY!


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What do we know?

Postby Crux » 2013 Dec 09 10:54

There is a big difference for States between saving money and LOSING LESS I grant.
As well, "strings attached"? If you think Federal Money is a no brainer, or, "LET'S JUST TAKE IT!!", you are not paying attention.

Just about every major pithy bumpe rsticker assertion,
about the WONDERS of Obamacare are being shown to be FALSE...


-it will save money for individuals and families
-it will bring down healthcare costs
-it will maintain spending levels for seniors
-it will give you more choices in health care
-it will ensure that you can keep your doctor
-it will preserve your in network structure
-it will allow you to keep your policy if you like it
-it will only cost 1 trillion over the next decade
-it will insure the uninsured

My wife said to me this morning, upon reading your "input" on the other thread said, with a small shake of the head and some humor, "Fangz is really UN-helpful!"

Of course she's right.

Don't just POST for your tribe. Dig. Comment. Look into the other side. Confront the really messy reality that is the Democrat Affordable Care Act. I have asked you guys to OWN IT. Well let's amend that. OWN IT CRITICALLY. Don't just cheer lead. We have learned too many really ugly details about the ACA, proudly called OBAMACARE by Obama hisself.

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Not impressed.

Postby Crux » 2013 Dec 12 07:20

AO, I will take your very words and example, and give you the ACA and Healthcare.gov!

Sebelius is now asking for an investigation into HER OWN website! 1,000 MILLION dollars and 3.5 years to get it done, and it is NOT finished, it does NOT work as it should and it will cost MORE. As well the Small Business Exchange software is not done and we have no costs on that. The VA version of "Healthcare.gov" was ABANDONED after 4 billion spent... As well the over promising and under performing mess that is the Nationalized Central State Poor Planning ACA is in fact fine evidence of the validity of Rands thrust. First they screw it up, then they act outraged and pledge to fix that which they screwed up. It is an endless cycle. The hedge fund manager FAILS, and is done. Government lives on and grows more and more wasteful and unwieldy. I think there are plenty of LEFT wing ideologues who have failed miserably. Shoot. I will raise you DETROIT!

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Re: Crash / Recession!

Postby Wise One » 2013 Dec 12 10:38

ACA is not what any of us would want if we were starting from scratch.

Nevertheless, with all its problems, it is a significant step forward and will attain some of the improvement objectives that we need. Start-up problems will be solved in the next 6 months or so, and more fundamental structural problems will continue to be attacked and solved, but on a longer time scale.

I would have preferred a much simpler single-payer system that obviates insurance altogether, as is the case in most other advanced countries; or if that's too big a step politically, then simply deleting all age criteria from Medicare eligibility requirements.

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Re: American Healthcare

Postby Crux » 2013 Dec 12 18:02

STONEWALL, you cut and pasted half my post from another thread and placed it here on this thread, did you not????????

You are OUT OF BOUNDS. ANSWER for this now.

Note from Stonewall, your humble administrator:
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Get Enrolled - time is running OUT!

Postby Crux » 2013 Dec 23 18:40

Just two days before Christ-mas! Santa knows if you have been naughty!

The Obama Administration is breaking out all the stops reaching out
to EVERY demographic to get them signed up by the deadline!

Here is a motivational video, "Get Enrolled", produced by leftists:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azoWedQH8zQ

Goodness those Dems are something! :pompom:

MERRY MERRY!!

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Re: American Healthcare

Postby fangz1956 » 2014 Jan 06 09:49



Interesting & enlightening read. One would think that in the 21st century, the words "mental health" would no longer have such stigma attached to them. Sadly, that is not the case. Only by talking about the proverbial elephant in the living room, will we be able to move forward and provide comprehensive care that actually benefits the recipient. Calling it something other than what it really is for the sake of political correctness or to appease some moronic insurance claims handler will only serve to maintain a broken status quo.


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Obama Obama Obama...

Postby Crux » 2014 Jan 06 16:08

Congressional Staffers earning 90 to 175K per year can't afford to pay for their own health insurance under Obamacare??? They get an OBAMA ordered waver under the FICTION that they are employed as part of a, SMALL BUSINESS???

"The lawsuit stems from a provision in the Affordable Care Act that requires members of Congress and their staffs to buy health insurance on the marketplaces set up through the law, which is also known as Obamacare.

A rule issued in October by the personnel office stated that the federal government could continue to contribute to pay the cost of health benefits for members of Congress and their staffs — just as it does for other federal employees — even though they would be buying health insurance on a marketplace.

In an opinion piece posted on the Wall Street Journal's website on Sunday, Johnson wrote he was bringing the lawsuit because he believes President Barack Obama's administration "has exceeded its legal authority."

"Allowing the federal government to make an employer contribution to help pay for insurance coverage was explicitly considered, debated and rejected" in passing the Affordable Care Act, Johnson wrote.

"In doing so, Congress established that the only subsidy available to them would be the same income-based subsidy available to every other eligible American accessing insurance through an exchange. This was the confidence-building covenant supporters of the law made to reassure skeptics that Obamacare would live up to its billing.""

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolit ... 81801.html

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Re: American Healthcare

Postby Wise One » 2014 Jan 06 17:54

More Republican bullshit.

Republicans in the Congress deliberately screwed up health insurance for congressional employees by enacting a new provision destroying the insurance their employees already had.

They took away congressional employees' eligibility for the federal employee insurance that they already had. It was normal private insurance, premiums paid by joint contributions from both employer and employee.

They mandated that this large group of employees join Obamacare exchanges, force-fitting a large organization already covered by good health insurance into system that was always intended to cover individuals and small organizations lacking good insurance.

In short, Republicans threw a monkey wrench into the machinery and are now complaining that it doesn't work anymore.

No surprise. It is what they do.



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More cussing?

Postby Crux » 2014 Jan 06 18:38

Most American feel that if the Democrats are going to COMPEL folks into, for lack of a better term, OBAMACARE, their representatives and staffers should ENJOY the same... Don't shluff this off to GOP bs. The Democrats own this turkey and our politicians and their congressional staffers should buy their insurance by the same rules and dictates my friend.

AO you are a treat...

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Re: American Healthcare

Postby Uji » 2014 Jan 08 11:29

:police: Get real, people. 30% of the population of Rockbridge County is uninsured. The Rockbridge Area Health Center is the only thing standing between these people and destitution.

RAHC has helped enroll 100s of residents (so far) in Obamacare. They are getting good policies with premiums they can afford--or at worst, catatrophic coverage at no cost. (This doesn't take into account those that fall in the gap [incomes between 0-$11,500/yr] created by the Governor's unwillingness to expand Medicaid. In 6 months, Medicaid in VA will be expanded.) This is beeing done by of couple dozen volunteers who have been trained to assist consumers with the market place. (You can make an appointment for assistance by calling RAHC.)

If you got decent health care insurance, well good for you. There are 10,000 of your fellow citizens in this county who have to rely on charity. Obamcare is providing good, inexpensive coverage for people who need it from private insurance companies. Whatever its faults (many), whatever the special-pleading and special interests written into the law, get behind the idea and help these people towards a healthy life.

Do something to help with the problem or at least have the grace to offer a positive alternative. This is not a sectarian issue, it's one of life and death for a third of those people who live around you.

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Re: American Healthcare

Postby Wise One » 2014 Jan 08 15:14

Thank you for that, Uji.

It is so refreshing to see this important subject put in realistic human terms, right here in Rockbridge County, rather than used as a fulcrum for screwballs to hinge their ideological abstractions and distortions around.

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Congressional Health Insurance

Postby Wise One » 2014 Jan 08 15:34

"If your only tool is a hammer, every problem looks like Donald Trump."

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Re: American Healthcare

Postby fangz1956 » 2014 Jan 09 07:32

For your reading pleasure and education:



The above link is a discussion of this article from the New England Journal of Medicine:



And finally, another fly in the ointment:



The fact that the ACA is doing as well as it is to date, is nothing short of a miracle. There is still a lot that needs to change inside the healthcare industry in order to reduce costs, improve efficiency and provide better care for all. If you have done any factual reading at all regarding electronic medical records, you have just begun to see a tiny sliver of the many boondoggles that are driving cost in the wrong direction and destroying efficiency at the same time. The ACA is a great beginning for this nation but we still need to rein in Big Pharma and the major insurance companies. Single payer with negotiated drug prices is where we need to make our next step....and soon.

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P.S. Happy New Year, Uji! Nice to see a post from you.
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RAHC and some thought about kindness.

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Re: American Healthcare

Postby fangz1956 » 2014 Jan 09 18:22

Crux.....

Educate yourself. The ACA was originally a Republican idea....and was based largely on the model that came to be when Romney was Governor of Massachusettes. Do not continually blather on with disinformation and statements that are not factual. You don't know as much as about medicine and healthcare in this country as you like us to believe.

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Blather? "Not Factual"??

Postby Crux » 2014 Jan 09 21:25

I would be curious what it was specifically Fangz, that I said in my last post that was inaccurate of not factual. Could you cite it for me?

The ACA is certainly not a GOP idea. I don't know what you could mean outside the much cited "individual mandate" showing up in a Heritage Foundation piece of work. The fact is the GOP did not champion this via the ACA. NO REPUBLICAN voted for the ACA.

On Massachusetts, the very large difference between what an individual State does, and what has been done on the Federal level does not escape anyone WHO CARES. Many on the Left that support the ACA, or any overarching Federal Health Care approach like a "single payer" socialized medicine, do not appear sensitive to the very large difference.

I get that. What is disinformation Fangz and what is not factual? Seriously.

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Re: American Healthcare

Postby fangz1956 » 2014 Jan 10 07:21

Mother Nature is apparently . She really has no choice since we foolish humans have brought this on ourselves.
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AGAIN, fangz (small f for fog), fails.

Postby Crux » 2014 Jan 10 08:20



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