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Coondog
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Disappointment

Postby Coondog » 2014 Oct 01 12:36

The response to ISIL or ISUS by the president is a monumental let down. Disagreement with the redundant and nonsensical profusion of military hardware in the middle east, the western east and the eastern east does not diminish the appreciation that it is Obama and not some republican nut pod who is in charge.

Yet, even this learned and contemplative leader has failed to recognize the road rage which is public opinion for what it is......an emotional response to being offended by something and wanting to punch someone in the snout. Or if you're an NRA nut pod, shoot somebody.

To his credit, Obama has laid out a clear objective (eradication of ISIL) and a realistic time frame (eons). To his discredit, he has failed to reveal the irrationality and unlikelihood of ever achieving the objective and the ultimate cost of not achieving that objective.

Congress has conveyed their own version of latent approval by doing nothing, in much the same way they convey their disapproval.......by doing nothing.

Obama's mistake is relying on public opinion. While it is understandable that an elected official whose approval ratings by a feckless gaggle of self indulgent slugs rises and falls according to their satisfaction with the judge's decision on American idol, reestablishing one's foot in the quagmire that is raghead on raghead violence serves merely to put a smile on John McCain's aged, slack jawed puss.

Such wasted attention to the imagined threat of ISIL, when the very real threat already among us is the consequences of jaywalking, shopping at Walmart, complying a bit to quickly to instructions or waving a butter knife at those who are sworn to protect and serve, but will empty their service pistols at you for no good reason other than just the type of fear of imaginary threats that prevails.

One can disagree with Obama without being idiotic about it. He is, after all, elected by a national majority.....twice. Something nobody in congress can boast, no matter how many talk shows they put their face on.

Coondog :hair:

Best line from Riddick...........Half the people you meet are below average intelligence.

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what a drag

Postby Crux » 2014 Oct 01 13:53

Somewhere in there, coondog has made several points.

That Obama is doing a good job and a bad job. Obama is to be held accountable and not accountable.
Obama should rely on public opinion and not rely upon it. You know, weighty, wittish observations...

I disagree with a few things certainly... How can you not?


Obama's plan to allow Iran to have nuclear weapons is not wise. I do not think his support of the Muslim Brotherhood was wise. I am not "thankful he took those decisions. I am not pleased with his policy of "not profiling" when it comes to law enforcement. Seriously? Since when do leftists not "profile"... I disagree with the notion that we could not help stabilize that region. Obama wanted to pull ALL troops out of Iraq. He failed to maintain even the capability of what we have in Afghanistan under his own agreement, 10,000. Look. Obama as competent? One month ago he called ISISIL "the J.V. team". Now, a nutty political war thing of show, to very little effect, and we will continue to not profile but rather tolerate the global enemy to western civilization. Sharia, Jihad by the sword, militant Islam, radical Islam... It will grow and wreak havoc. Obama: "ISISIL is not Islamic. ISISIL is not a State". coondog and Obama had to CLEAN out of Iraq and there was no WAY we were gonna work with the government of Iraq towards keeping ANY troops there.


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Re: Obama

Postby Buck Turgidson » 2014 Oct 01 14:46

Crux wrote:Obama's plan to allow Iran to have nuclear weapons is not wise.
Excuse me?
Crux wrote:Obama wanted to pull ALL troops out of Iraq.
Excuse me?

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Excuse who?

Postby Coondog » 2014 Oct 01 19:38

C'mon Buck!

You're obviously the type of guy to let Obama off the hook for his willful weakening of the Secret Service and deny it three times before the Koch Crows.

Try to focus on how many troops are in Iraq and not on why they're there in the first place.

Keep in mind that there are fanatics out there who want to instill fundamentalist religious doctrine in place of the rule of law. The fact that they're called the Tea Party should not concern you.

Sharia, Jihad by the sword, militant Islam, radical Islam... It will grow and wreak havoc.


Crux is right. Like an obscure reference to sucking Koch, once you enlarge it and put it in quotations and protest against it, it takes on a life of it's own.

Be afraid! Be very afraid!

Coondog :hiding2:

Booga, booga!

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for crying out loud

Postby Crux » 2014 Oct 01 20:28

Oh I know why the troops were in Iraq in the first place very well.

We saw fit after 9/11 to deal differently with the Muslim world and a good starting point was Saddam. I guess under Obama Mu barrack, khadafi, and Assad are Jim dandy, but Sadaam under Bush was bad. Don't be so dishonest now in 2014 about what is true I have been paying CLOSE attention for many years my friend.

http://hotair.com/archives/2014/08/12/v ... ki-for-it/

YES Obama wanted all troops out of IRAQ, and YES he did not negotiate a status of forces agreement, and YES he GOT HIS WAY and YES ISISIL is rampaging unchecked by our pathetic President who called them the "J.V." team one month ago!!! For crying out loud don't be this dishonest with yourselves!!

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Re: Obama

Postby Coondog » 2014 Oct 03 00:30

Don't know what exactly you're paying such close attention to, but history is NOT your strong suit. The exit agreement from Iraq
was negotiated by none other than George W. Bush. Obama, no matter how half heartedly, attempted to renegotiate in order to
leave additional troops, but the Iraqi Parliament said no!

Grow up and learn something useful!

Your "facts" are consistently wrong and, subsequently, your entire world view is tee totally f#@&%d!

And for the record, Coondog is Damned Glad that young Americans are not standing the front lines against this pack of rat bags.
If you and Lindsay Graham had your druthers, there'd be a steady flow of draped caskets coming home from that region yet again.

Enough is enough!

Raccoon Anyone :lets:

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back in time

Postby Crux » 2014 Oct 03 07:56

We are talking late 2008. The timetable for withdrawal, and a STATUS OF FORCES AGREEMENT are, were two different things! Bush sought to maintain a few dozen bases in Iraq... That was the attempt, and the clock ran out. YES Obama made a half-hearted attempt. It is what it is and YES Obama wanted EVERY LAST TROOP out of Iraq.

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Re: Obama

Postby Coondog » 2014 Oct 03 10:47

It is what it is and YES Obama wanted EVERY LAST TROOP out of Iraq.

Yep! And he should have stuck to it.

The philosophical approach of both George and Barack was, train and equip the Iraqi's to maintain their own security. We did that.
They were adequately trained and equipped to smash ISIS at the onset. Mission Accomplished.

The internal Iraqi politics, which neither we nor anybody else will ever be able to influence, failed to instill an iota of nationalism in the tribal hearts of the army, particularly as they had no confidence or respect in their own military leadership. Hence, they obeyed the unspoken order ala Monty Python: "Run Away!"

The moral is, when you walk into an old deserted mansion on a dark and stormy night and you hear a booming voice tell you to "Get Out!", it's best to heed the warning and hightail it.

Coondog :coffee:

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built on nonsense

Postby Crux » 2014 Oct 03 21:16

Coondog wrote:

The philosophical approach of both George and Barack was, train and equip the Iraqi's to maintain their own security. We did that.
They were adequately trained and equipped to smash ISIS at the onset. Mission Accomplished.

Dude. You know why the terrorist army is called ISIS? The last TWO letters stand for "in Syria". I don't think your vaunted Iraqi army could get at them there, and as well, ISIS is NOT as is the majority of the country, Shiite. ISISIL is SUNNI, like the King of Clubs who leads them... Obviously the Iraqis could not SMASH the ISIS forces on their own to date.

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WRONG

Postby Coondog » 2014 Oct 04 04:06

The last TWO letters stand for "in Syria".

ACTUALLY,

IS stands for "Iraq and Syria. IL stands for Iraq and the Levant, which covers Syria, Lebanon, Israel, Palestine, Jordan and Iraq.

The Iraqi army didn't need to defeat ISIL, just keep them from Iraq. Then ISIL would have had to stay in Syria and fight Assad. Unfortunately, the Iraqis couldn't or wouldn't we should say, hold a defensive position against a force 1/10th their size. Apparently, they were not sufficiently motivated by the prospect of the sort of unifying political system we enjoy here.

Shiite? Sunni? Who cares? As long as we're willing to supply the region with weapons for them to kill one another with, they will continue to make brash threats to frighten us into giving them exactly what they want. So far, we have managed to supply at least two sides with enough arms to sustain years of conflict and are anticipating arming a third.

The big wheel of military industrialism grinds on. Dude!

Coondog :coffee:

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very good

Postby Crux » 2014 Oct 04 20:22

Good post.

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Re: Obama

Postby Juggler » 2014 Oct 07 09:09

That bastard.
Is there any cruelty our black Muslim Kenyan president will not inflict on the American family?
Oh, the humanity.
The Republicans get it right yet again.

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Breaking through the illusion of government competence...

Postby Crux » 2014 Oct 15 13:42

2014 is an interesting election cycle. Will it be a resounding rejection of the Left? The U.S. HOUSE might gain a few Republican Majority seats! The U.S. SENATE might gain +6 Republicans who would gain the Majority. All down the ballot... Folks are challenged in their intrinsic over estimation or the goodness and competence of government. This election could be a REBUKE or Democrats, led by Obama.

Well no one wants to hold his hand he is so unpopular. Those RACIST Democrat Senate Candidates... :laughing:

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Re: Obama

Postby Coondog » 2014 Oct 15 15:24

Only in America

Crux points out a striking reality. Americans are apt, once again, to cast their ballots for representation in government....those who not only contend that government is bad, but, upon being elected, fully intend to keep it that way.

So, this guy already decided not to support the legitimately elected leader in anything, loves America so much that secession is viewed as a viable option, prefers utter dysfunction to productive compromise. Yep! He's our guy!

Let's play pick your virus. .

Rather get a majority of republicans in both houses of congress or get ebola? :hum:

Tough choice! Hint: either choice is likely to prove fatal...............

Coondog

In a democracy, people get the government they deserve.

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old dogs no new tricks

Postby Crux » 2014 Oct 15 19:52

Look I don't like RINOs either. It is not that government is BAD, but rather that there should be appropriate and necessary government.

There is LOCAL, State, and federal government but before that, there are THE PEOPLE!!!

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Play Dead!

Postby Coondog » 2014 Oct 16 13:25

Watched some right wingers on the TV this morning complaining that there is no national figure in charge over this Ebola thing. No one taking charge. No one responsible for informing the taxpayers.

Hello! Wouldn't that be the job of the Surgeon General?

Wait! We don't Have a Surgeon General! One wonders why that is!

Why that is goes directly to the point.....elected officials who obstruct the function of government while complaining that government isn't functioning.

Write your representatives in congress a letter! When they get back from vacation, they will likely ignore it......unless you include a very, very fat check.

Coondog :curse:

Texas! Once again setting the example....of what not to do!

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yawn

Postby Crux » 2014 Oct 17 20:08

Coondog wrote:Watched some right wingers on the TV this morning complaining that there is no national figure in charge over this Ebola thing. No one taking charge. No one responsible for informing the taxpayers.

Hello! Wouldn't that be the job of the Surgeon General?


What nonsense. There is a CDC Director. We have been listening to the fella. Now we will have a "Czar". She will report DIRECTLY to Susan Rice.

:pompom:

See no one is ever really responsible anyway. Especially Obama who seems interested to manage the political event, Ebola.

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-taps-former ... 59279.html

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Re: Play Dead!

Postby Wise One » 2014 Oct 17 20:44

Coondog wrote:Texas! Once again setting the example....of what not to do!

A savvy commentator opined that Texas should get that border fence they're always whining about ... only let's place it between Texas and the rest of the United States!

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Re: Obama

Postby Crux » 2014 Oct 18 07:57

The irrational ire at Texas is so FUNNY! Not funny ha-ha but sad. New Jersey, now that's funny.

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These are your constituents, would be King.

Postby Crux » 2014 Oct 20 16:28

UPPER MARLBORO Md. :dontknow:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/ ... V320141019

OH, yes... Everyone is quite pleased with the Obamacare Economy. What? BLACKS walked out on The President? Your peeps?

:dontknow:

Your war on that woman with the brain tumor featured in the NYT?

:dontknow:

Suggesting it was her fault that she can't pay for a routine brain scan this year because she has the wrong premium vs deductible ratio?

:dontknow:

This is an unfolding train wreck, or, it's just a Jim Dandy. Certainly closer to the one. Talking "Choo ChooooooOO-OO!!!
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Get your hands off my Obamacarenomics!!! :beer:
Folks are LOVIN' it!! Harry Reid and the Democrat Senate. Obama.

Just a whole LOTTA JOY out there... :clap: