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Unchecked Power

Postby fangz1956 » 2008 Sep 22 08:41

Ever looked at someone and thought "the wheel is turning but the hamster is dead"?

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Re: Unchecked Power

Postby fangz1956 » 2008 Sep 22 08:46

Ever looked at someone and thought "the wheel is turning but the hamster is dead"?

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Re: Unchecked Power

Postby Uji » 2008 Sep 22 14:26

Thanks, Fangz. I'm heading to the P.O. right now!

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Re: Unchecked Power

Postby fangz1956 » 2008 Sep 22 18:32

You're welcome, Uji. This is and will be interesting to watch unfold. It ain't over 'til the fat lady sings.......or the fat cats cry "Uncle".

Now, from across the pond. These are great. The first deals with the UK's plight (hmmmm....global economy or global gambling?) and the Bank of England.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... .economics

And this one is rich. I think Peter McKay is my new hero.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... spivs.html

And just for laughs (God knows we all need one), there is this:

http://www.buymyshitpile.com/


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Re: Unchecked Power

Postby fangz1956 » 2008 Sep 23 08:58

A couple more items of interest:

http://balloon-juice.com/?p=11384

http://www.thisisby.us/index.php/conten ... _state#top


Thinking back to the debates during the early days of the primary, the events of the day certainly point to all the things Ron Paul had to say about the Federal Reserve and the unsound monetary policy of this nation.


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Re: Unchecked Power

Postby fangz1956 » 2008 Sep 23 16:41

Ever looked at someone and thought "the wheel is turning but the hamster is dead"?

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Re: Unchecked Power

Postby fangz1956 » 2008 Sep 24 09:16

Time to wake up, boys and girls. Anybody that thinks this plan to bailout Wall Street is a good one, needs to do about that.

Let us not forget who really controls Congress....................WALL STREET!!!!

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Re: Unchecked Power

Postby Wise One » 2008 Sep 24 09:55

The chutzpah of this crowd has no limits.

Smart people know and have been stressing that regulation of the financial industry is crucial, and that changes must be undertaken very carefully. And yet Republicans foisted irresponsible deregulation upon us.

Now that yet another Republican disaster is clear to all, Republicans want total power, right now, to transfer another Trillion dollars from you to their friends, without controls or oversight or appeal, and to immunize all against litigation.

Debate in Congress? Republicans want no debate, saying it's just too important to wait. They loot for 8 years, must finally admit to error, and now want instant and total authority to do even more looting. They've raised the art of the "protection racket" to an entirely new level.

:tongue3: Hey, I can handle money poorly too. Please send me a few $Billion, by tomorrow. (please remit in Euros) :tongue3:
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Re: Unchecked Power

Postby Uji » 2008 Sep 24 11:57

This is exactly how we got into Iraq. The congress punted, giving the administration a blank check. The same administration wants another blank check.

This will be a wonderful test of just how irretrievably insane we actually are.

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Re: Unchecked Power

Postby fangz1956 » 2008 Sep 24 18:19

Ever looked at someone and thought "the wheel is turning but the hamster is dead"?

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Re: Unchecked Power

Postby Uji » 2008 Sep 25 09:23

I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this, Fangz. Pelosi and Reid are not my ideal politicians but they are more than just "incrementally better" than the two who occupied their position before they came to power. Maybe we could get Trent Lott to come back our of retirement; he'd do a lot better, right?

I'd like the ideal legislation, too. But we don't get ideal, we get compromise. Pelosi -- if she's behind the current plan -- is surely compromising too much. But she doesn't get the last word. I, for one, will continue to urge my reps to do something a bit better than that; but a compromise is all any of us can hope for.

Maybe Pelosi and Reid are crooks; maybe they've got all sort of evil, ulterior motives for the way they behave; but I don't believe it. Personally, I think everyone up there wants the best for the country at this moment -- they want the best for their Party, too, but I don't imagine they see the two hopes as contradictory. We might, but since we elected the buggers, we might take some of the responsibility by giving them the benefit of the doubt.

Make the pols pay at the ballot box, but we got to offer them some sort of support while they are trying to do their jobs.

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Re: Unchecked Power

Postby fangz1956 » 2008 Sep 25 09:30

Uji......

I must respectfully disagree with you.


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Re: Unchecked Power

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Re: Unchecked Power

Postby Uji » 2008 Sep 25 09:38

Hi, Fangz. You still there? Weird having messages cross like this.

Okay, you disagree. So, we shouldn't seek compromise, we should only seek whatever we think is the best, even if others thing "the best" is in another direction. Then all legislation is pure, brute force: if I've got more votes then you, then you LOSE. If you've got more than me, than I LOSE.

Surely you don't mean this, do you?

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Re: Unchecked Power

Postby fangz1956 » 2008 Sep 25 16:44

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Re: Unchecked Power

Postby fangz1956 » 2008 Sep 25 17:01

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Re: Unchecked Power

Postby Uji » 2008 Sep 26 12:59

Well, Fangz, I guess we've each said what we wanted to say. I don't think your characterization of my position is fair or reasonable, but there's nothing I can do about that -- certainly no point in saying it again.

Personally, I feel a degree of responsibility for those people who are acting in my name, even though I didn't vote for them. We -- the people -- elected those folks. And I don't feel that, since I didn't vote for them, I can just write them off as self-serving nin-com-poops. Nor do I feel that I am removed from all responsibility for what they do. But that's me. Clearly you are of a different mind.

Good luck, with Paul. If Obama's a fascist, I can see why Paul is your man.

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Re: Unchecked Power

Postby fangz1956 » 2008 Sep 26 17:49

Oh dear Uji........

Just because we find ourselves at an impasse on a point or two, is no reason for either of us to get our knickers in a knot.
First of all, I never said Obama was a fascist........the article in the RT pointed to the backing of what I see as a fascist plan as laid out by Paulson, et.al. I am not (and doubt that you are either) in favor of giving carte blanche to the Treasury department and the Fed. Good grief!! They helped to create this ginormic mess!

While Congress may be acting in my name and yours, that is no reason to fail in MY personal responsibility to speak and be vocal about the whole thing to those same people acting in my name. To not speak and to not question and to just blindly accept whatever they throw out is wrong........IMHO. Some of the things that have transpired in hammering out this bill in recent days have not been all bad. Some excellent suggestions have come to light. Whether or not the right thing gets done for the benefit of all, remains to be seen.

But........I still think Pelosi is a loon!!

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Re: Unchecked Power

Postby Uji » 2008 Sep 27 14:08

No knickers here. I always work at the computer naked. Doesn't everyone?

I don't believe I suggested that you blindly accept anything, or to stop speaking out. I think that I said something about giving folks the benefit of the doubt...

In any event, I just don't find the demonization of pols or policies very useful -- or very humane.

Maybe if I wore knotted kickers...


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