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Re: Immigrants, Legal and Illegal

Postby Coondog » 2014 Jul 20 20:56

Snakey,

Those are some mighty fine citations. And, there may be some element of truth in there somewhere. But, you can be assured that quoting Breitbart and Ann Coulter is not going to get anyone's attention who's not fascinated by hyperbole and nonsense.

Granted, there is not as much corruption in Central America as there is in, say, New Jersey. But there must be some reason these people, no matter how misguided they may be, choose to leave.

There doesn't seem to be any documented evidence of Obama mentioning anything about free passes, so all of these linguistic gymnastics aimed at convincing people otherwise is just the sort of thing that, were Obama half the dictator you like to paint him as, would have these people writing their conspiratorial fiction from the comfort of a prison cell.

As for border security, it will likely become a complete reality when both houses of Congress join the Serpentine Court in a republican St. Vitus Dance and a republican President (which will never happen unless enough votes can be suppressed) spend all of the Social Security money on a wall to keep people from GETTING OUT!

Coondog :tiphat:

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Ignorant then....

Postby Crux » 2014 Jul 20 22:40

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/1 ... 99658.html
http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/15/politics/immigration/
http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics ... t-congress

coondog proves himself an incompetent observer and commentator. Obama brought this, wants it, owns it, and is doing nothing to stop it.

Coondog wrote:
There doesn't seem to be any documented evidence of Obama mentioning anything about free passes, so all of these linguistic gymnastics aimed at convincing people otherwise is just the sort of thing that, were Obama half the dictator you like to paint him as, would have these people writing their conspiratorial fiction from the comfort of a prison cell.



Ignorant today STILL. DACA was brought about in 2012, and now it can be renewed/extended.

http://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/consi ... ivals-daca
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government ... et-Amnesty

What Is DACA
On June 15, 2012, the Secretary of Homeland Security announced that certain people who came to the United States as children and meet several guidelines may request consideration of deferred action for a period of two years, subject to renewal. They are also eligible for work authorization. Deferred action is a use of prosecutorial discretion to defer removal action against an individual for a certain period of time. Deferred action does not provide lawful status.
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Re: Immigrants, Legal and Illegal

Postby Coondog » 2014 Jul 21 15:36

IF...............

........Coondog was ignorant or incompetent, he probably would have ignored this provision of DACA which makes application to the current Central American immigration/refugee crisis moot:

Have continuously resided in the United States since June 15, 2007, up to the present time;


Easy to miss, since it's only number THREE.

But it does serve to illustrate that..........

One has nothing to do with the other!

Although liars there, and here, will attempt to convince people otherwise for profit.....or political gain.

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Yup...

Postby Crux » 2014 Jul 21 18:30

Obama's executive actions, and DACA, provide powerful incentives, and enhance the very climate he WISHES to create.

The results were predictable and WERE PREDICTED, and we are witnessing them...

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NO PRESS... HELLO!!!

Postby Crux » 2014 Jul 21 18:50

These kids are being CROWDED into overcrowded detention facilities, sibling separated into different rooms by age, then after a week, maybe, given a bus ticket and dropped off at a bus station, and told not to talk to anyone. There are not adequate counselors, or pastors. No religious organizations are involved in the welfare of the children at these "stabilization" facilities. Rooms labeled "4 year olds", "5 year olds", "6 year olds". No hugging. 6 year olds begging to be held. The federal government is overwhelmed. PRIVATE doctors and money are taking this on. Kids that can only eat soup because their digestive systems have been STARVED. 2/3 of the girls by some counts raped. Abuse. Torture. Dehydration. Trafficking. MS 13. "OTMs" coming over. Other than Mexicans? This is the SUPER-DOME AFTER KATRINA!!!

The Press Must Demand to be let in. We are putting traumatized kids on buses to who knows where. We must CLOSE THE BORDERS NOW.

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Re: Immigrants, Legal and Illegal

Postby Coondog » 2014 Jul 22 10:49

We are putting traumatized kids on buses to who knows where


Are you seriously saying that your comedy writers have all this knowledge about what's going on in detention centers in spite of the fact that, supposedly, no press is allowed.....but can't determine where a bus is going?

Since someone must have verified children being put on busses, might they 1) have asked the bus driver where he was going 2) looked over the windshield for a sign that said "Peoria" or 3) followed the bus?

Or, is this just more speculative fiction from fat, ugly toadies who never leave their computer desks or microphones, but have an avid audience of misled flunkies and idolizers?

Honestly!

The description of the plight of these people almost sounds like you care, until your only solution is to leave their bleached bones on the opposite side of a wall.

Coondog :dontknow:

The aforementioned EPIC report DOES indicate a drop in the homicide rate in Honduras from 2012 to 2013. From 14.35 times the world average to about 12.7 times the world average. (reference: same article - see graph) Is this because all of the 6 year old criminals came to the US, or because there are less people left to kill?

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Re: Immigrants, Legal and Illegal

Postby Juggler » 2014 Jul 22 15:33

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Wise Guy obviosly, & Perry gets it.

Postby Crux » 2014 Jul 22 20:14

I am empathetic with the protestors sentiment, but I rather fear that Leftists are here to stay,
and it is obviously to me extreme tongue in cheek sentiment to advocate their deportation...

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The kids are one thing but only one thing in 5. Masses are coming over the "secure border".
This is all according to plan, and will not be stopped by Obama, though it is in his power to...

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“The plight of these unaccompanied alien children has rightfully captured the national attention.
Equally as concerning, however, is the fact that unaccompanied children only make up 20 percent
of those apprehended crossing the border illegally.”


Perry said drug cartels are exploiting the crisis on the Mexican border for human and drug trafficking.

“Over the years, I have repeatedly called on the federal government to live up to its responsibility
of protecting this great nation by securing the border,” he added. “Since 2008, more than 203,000
criminal aliens have been booked into Texas county jails. … These individuals have committed more
than 630,000 crimes — and that is in the state of Texas alone.”


Deport my own Little Brother? NEVER...
TEMPTING! But no... It would kill Ma.

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Fuzzy Math and Paranoia

Postby Coondog » 2014 Jul 23 13:33

Once again, Rick Perry and thou have managed to numerically connect and formulate opinions based on completely unrelated events. Just because you can apprehend a lot of people and put them in a big room does not mean that they are all exactly alike.

Just as there are a few sane republicans, people are individuals and they like to be treated that way. Your citation of Rick's unrelated statistics about crime in Texas over a 6 year period is as meaningless as blaming it on a polar vortex.

One suspects that, between the two of you, you could get a wedding ring on a chicken.

As for Obama's supposed PLAN...........say that in the mirror three times and see how dumb you look! :upset:

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A new low? Or simply nothing new under the sun...

Postby Crux » 2014 Jul 23 16:06

Crux wrote:“The plight of these unaccompanied alien children has rightfully captured the national attention.
Equally as concerning, however, is the fact that unaccompanied children only make up 20 percent
of those apprehended crossing the border illegally.”

Perry said drug cartels are exploiting the crisis on the Mexican border for human and drug trafficking.

“Over the years, I have repeatedly called on the federal government to live up to its responsibility
of protecting this great nation by securing the border,” he added. “Since 2008, more than 203,000
criminal aliens have been booked into Texas county jails. … These individuals have committed more
than 630,000 crimes — and that is in the state of Texas alone.”


Coondog wrote:Once again, Rick Perry and thou have managed to numerically connect and formulate opinions based on completely unrelated events.
Your citation of Rick's unrelated statistics about crime in Texas over a 6 year period is as meaningless as blaming it on a polar vortex.


You are dishonest. I can not believe you are merely that stupid.
"630,000 crimes by 203,000 illegal aliens" WERE NOT COMMITTED BY THE POLAR VORTEX.


You impress no one, because your own inflated ego counts for nothing.



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Reason

Postby Coondog » 2014 Jul 23 18:01

OK

According to disastercenter.com, the murder rate in Texas has declined since 2008 (from 1,370 in 2008 to 1,144 in 2012) in spite of a population increase of around 1,800,000 over the same period.

Over the same period, according to Perry: Over 3,000 homicides were committed by illegal aliens.

But......

According to texas.gov, there were 6,223 murders between 2008 and 2012 of which 75% were solved. That leaves 4,667 murders with known assailants. 42% of solved murders were determined to be committed by Hispanics. That's 1,960 murders committed by both legal and illegal Hispanics. Not over 3,000. Not even if we assume that all of the legal Hispanics that make up 38% of Texas' population didn't kill anyone at all,

So, could we not then deduce that, at the very least, Mr. Perry is playing fast and loose with numbers?

You might not, but Coondog ALWAYS assumes Perry is lying. So far, it's been the correct assumption every time.

FactCheck.Coondog.what? :tiphat:

640,000 seat belt violations IS a lot of crime, though

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coondog,

Postby Crux » 2014 Jul 23 21:15

Perry noted, “Since 2008, more than 203,000
criminal aliens have been booked into Texas county jails. …
These individuals have committed more
than 630,000 crimes — and that is in the state of Texas alone.”

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630,000 crimes committed by 203,000 illegal aliens since 2008 will
almost certainly include some number of murders. It is in fact plausible
that 2 or 3 thousand murders were committed by illegals in Texas over 6.5 years.

That is in Texas ALONE. If the number is 1,000 or 1,300 or 200 per year, it's a prob...

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Re: Immigrants, Legal and Illegal

Postby Coondog » 2014 Jul 24 09:25

Murder is always a problem. Especially for the murderee.

If one observes the statistical ratios, most of the violent crime (murder, rape, aggravated assault) are committed by white people, both Hispanics and Whites and others engaging in said criminal activities roughly according to their percentage of the population as a whole. In other words, when it comes to crime.......they're just like .....you.

(While dawgs committed virtually no homicides, the incidences of ankle biting were abnormally high - probably why they wear those ridiculous boots)

The point is, Perry's numbers on homicide don't add up. There aren't that many that one can attribute 3,000 to illegal aliens. So....the other numbers (203,000 aliens - 630,000 crimes) that he (and you) keep insisting on are equally suspect.

630,000+ is an impressive number. How does it compare to the numbers of crimes committed by non-illegal aliens? Does that figure include seat belt violations, marijuana possession, sex with an underage armadillo? We don't know and Coondog is not going to spend any more time than you guys did looking it up....because, as is patently obvious, it's a lot of meaningless horse hockey.

Look! Texans are in another world entirely. Texans think they are, and it's the one thing that we should all be in agreement on. If one chooses to believe six figure statistics from somebody who has trouble with the number 3, well.....that's a choice. Not a good one, but a choice nonetheless.

We now return to our regularly scheduled program: Benghazi!

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not so fast

Postby Crux » 2014 Jul 24 21:17

Coondog wrote:Murder is always a problem.

If one observes the statistical ratios, most of the violent crime (murder, rape, aggravated assault) are committed by white people, both Hispanics and Whites and others engaging in said criminal activities roughly according to their percentage of the population as a whole. In other words, when it comes to crime.......they're just like .....you.




From the FBI on MURDER

Overview

Of the 12,664 murder victims in 2011 for which supplemental data were received, most (77.6 percent) were male. (Based on Expanded Homicide Data Table 1.)
Concerning murder victims for whom race was known, 50.0 percent were black, 46.0 percent were white, and 2.6 percent were of other races. Race was unknown for 175 victims. (Based on Expanded Homicide Data Table 2.)
Single victim/single offender situations accounted for 48.4 percent of all murders for which the UCR Program received supplemental data. (See Expanded Homicide Data Table 4.)
Of the offenders for whom gender was known, 89.3 percent were males. (Based on Expanded Homicide Data Table 3.)
Of the offenders for whom race was known, 52.4 percent were black, 45.2 percent were white, and 2.4 percent were of other races. The race was unknown for 4,077 offenders. (Based on Expanded Homicide Data Table 3.)

Blacks are both VICTIM and PERPETRATOR of Murder far more than their percentage of population dog. You have been wrong about this before.
I am sure of the 600,000 crimes committed by 200,000 illegals in Texas INCLUDES PETTY CRIME. If it is your laptop, or gasoline, it still sucks...

...not as much as murder it is true. Or RAPE.

Forcible rape 14,611 9,504 by whites 4,811 by blacks 170 126 100.0 65.0% by whites 32.9% by blacks 1.2 0.9


DERN. Blacks again are committing more of these by percentage of population! Now, we have established you are very mistaken.
Now regarding illegals in Texas. YOU CAN BET many thousands of crimes even serious crimes are committed by these very folks...

...perhaps even 600,000. 3 crimes per illegal MIGHT include BEING HERE ILLEGALLY!
Whatever. THAT CRIME comes with great societal cost in and of itself too.
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Re: Immigrants, Legal and Illegal

Postby Coondog » 2014 Jul 25 11:51

Blacks? Blacks? Who is talking about Blacks?

We were talking about murder by illegal Central American Hispanics......in Texas! Your counter-argument is about rape by legal American Blacks nationwide?

Oh, Crux! You are a refreshing daily dose of typified conservatism. A paragon of disjunctive dissonance. A fine fellow who, when at a loss to defend the indefensible, has ample presence of mind and practice in the art of deflection to say, "Hey, look over there!"

As a reminder, the topic was using bogus statistics to demonize categories of people for personal and political gain.

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Always on topic

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Sorry you can not follow.

Postby Crux » 2014 Jul 25 13:48

You said and I quoted you:
Crux wrote:
Coondog wrote:Murder is always a problem.

If one observes the statistical ratios, most of the violent crime (murder, rape, aggravated assault) are committed by white people, both Hispanics and Whites and others engaging in said criminal activities roughly according to their percentage of the population as a whole. In other words, when it comes to crime.......they're just like .....you.






You were wrong. It is that simple... I showed you that "whites and others" DO NOT "engage in criminal activities roughly according to their percentage of the population as a whole". I have not done anything other than disprove your statement. Criminal aliens are a problem. A BIG BIG BIG problem in Texas and all around the Country. I suppose you know what percentage of our incarcerated are ILLEGAL ALIENS? No, probably not. Off the top of my head I recall it is about 25%.

I could be wrong, and If I am I will admit it. YOU on the other hand seem unable to fess up. Oh well. I will take the point and move on to the next round.

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The eyes of Texas.......

Postby Coondog » 2014 Jul 25 16:10

Please wait while that information gets processed :potty5:

There!

Hello! TEXAS!

Your numbers, I repeat, are meaningless. If 100% of the 2,200,000 incarcerated persons in this country were illegal aliens, that would still only be 20% of the estimated 12,000,000 illegal aliens.

The other theoretical 80%, we would assume, would be fine, upstanding non-citizens.

More than one could say for certain categories of citizens.

Coondog :sleepy:

cough...tea party....cough....seditionists....cough, cough

Cite some statistics from Pago Pago. And, the point is.....? :hum:

As much as it is understood why somebody would not want to stay in Texas.............It's about Texas. Tex- ass! Texas!

Take the weekend off and look it up on a map. You might find it in a text book. They're printed in Texas.

The maps are between the chapter on the creationist theory of dinosaurs and the one about the derivation of the name of Rick Perry's hunting camp.

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The folks are not happy.

Postby Crux » 2014 Jul 27 14:15

Perhaps 10,000 rallied on Beacon hill in Boston. This may have been the largest protest EVER. Massachusetts plans on taking in at least 1,000 "children".

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More trouble with numbers

Postby Coondog » 2014 Jul 28 14:28

While Bree Sison of WBZ-TV estimated the crowd numbering in the hundreds, Boston.com described the area in front of the State House as “teeming with protesters,” noting that rally organizer Jeff Kuhner, host of WRKO’s The Kuhner Report, put the number closer to 10,000


Interesting that Kuhner, the organizer with a broken abacus, is a Canadian with a green card. Or, maybe not so interesting. He's working on becoming a citizen and the perfect republican shill......."I got mine, you can go suck it!"

1,000 kids? Coondog will take one. The yard around the dawg house is a mess. Now, if only one in ten pitiless ghouls on the hill has a change of heart, they can have nice lawns, too.

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...clowndog...

Postby Crux » 2014 Jul 28 19:28

Coondog managed to demonstrate two things.

First, he fails to speak to the difference between a foreign national working WITHIN THE LEGAL IMMIGRATION SYSTEM over the course of years, to gain citizenship like three quarters of a million Naturalized Citizens do every year, and the alternative that outrages both citizens and those seeking citizenship by legal means: THE ILLEGAL ALIEN.

Then secondly, he demeans and defers upon the ILLEGAL ALIEN he champions because he wants and values cheap labor.
I know the local Democrat business folks who employ "the goombahs" and the "Mexicans" under the table.

....pathetic, not funny, and entertaining only to himself, oh, and AO....