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You don't have to know anything to have an opinion.

Postby Crux » 2014 Jul 07 10:39

Opinions are easy, but they don't equal critical thinking. Take this issue on immigration, and consider the following information:

"From a historical perspective, the number of naturalizations has increased dramatically in recent decades. On average, 141,000 lawful permanent residents naturalized each year between 1970 and 1979, 205,000 on average per year in the 1980s, 498,000 in the 1990s, and 629,000 during the 2000-2008 period.

The number of naturalizations reached an all-time record high in 2008 (1,046,539) before falling by 28.9 percent in 2009. However, compared to 2007, the number of naturalizations in 2009 increased by 12.6 percent."


Interesting. Our country should allow legal, liberal immigration, and it does. Adding 700,000 folks every year is quite a number. Those are LEGAL immigrants. The debate is too often framed as "pro" or "anti" immigration. That misses the facts between the notions legal and illegal. Our Federal Government under Obama is not doing it's job of border enforcement and immigration enforcement, and that is a very big problem.

We have in a year or two gone from 6.000 kids crossing the border ILLEGALLY in a given year, to 60,000. Obama could END this tragedy but he won't.

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Thank Goodness

Postby Crux » 2014 Jul 07 21:54

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/07 ... n-history/

It will take We the People to support and encourage our State Representatives to stand up to the Feds on this CRAP SANDWICH Obama and Holder have cooked up. This issue is HUGE. This is yet another Obama Fiasco. If you are not outraged, you are not paying attention, or do not care.

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Re: Immigrants, Legal and Illegal

Postby Coondog » 2014 Jul 09 11:06

You're damn right its a HUGE issue! Why......... Coondog went down there and they wouldn't let him in either. They said Coondog had no business there and sent him on his way.

The idea that a person (or a dawg or a woman) can't just walk in and out of government facilities at will just goes to prove that Obama is trying to cover something up. Going back next week with a bunch of friends and a case of Blue Ribbon.

Come to think of it....the same thing happened when Coondog tried to take a friend (a somewhat poisonous snake) into Goodlatt's offices. Got run out, again, like important business was not at hand. Like Coondog didn't belong there. What's HE hiding?

So, yeah! This is a conspiracy. A HUGE issue!

Coondog :curse:

Wait! Having thought about it................... I really DON'T care.

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DUH!

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Re: Immigrants, Legal and Illegal

Postby Coondog » 2014 Jul 10 14:07

What? Sorry! It was presumed, from the text of the referenced link, that outrage was supposed to be expressed because some fool named Jim Bridenstine from Oklahoma has his nickers in a bunch over not being treated like royalty.

So....what is it we're supposed to be outraged about? Border security? Aren't these children in camps because they were caught at the border? Isn't that border security?

Get this! In the history of the world (no more than 6,000 years if you're an idiot) there have been major migrations.....population shifts due to war, famine, pestilence and natural disasters of one kind or another. It's inevitable! You can build a Great Wall, a Berlin Wall, a border fence or dig a moat. Sooner or later, the sheer power of human necessity will overpower closed societies.

You either learn to assimilate or die. This is why no one is playing against the Holy Roman Empire in the World Cup!

Now, you can attempt to bus 600,000 children to Guatamala and dump them at a McDonalds parking lot, but wouldn't it be better to just exchange them for 600,000 right wing fundamentalist "missionaries"?

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Hopeless Hopeless Hopeless

Postby Crux » 2014 Jul 10 20:55

The Federal Government, denying our Elected Representatives from visiting these facilities, in their own Home Districts SHOULD alarm you, and is not akin to YOU crackdog, being asked to leave the office of Bob Goodlatte! The Federal Government is keeping the Press at bay, and placing undue pressure on Border Patrol Agents from speaking out. As well this is not a "migration". This is human trafficking of underage kids. Some estimates are that over 2/3 of the girls have been RAPED. Maiming, murders, rape. Extortion, and torture. This is HUMAN TRAFFICKING. Either care or don't care but talking out of you butt makes you look like a jerk.

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gibberish and nonsense is what you are good for

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Re: Immigrants, Legal and Illegal

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Obama's Man Caused Disaster

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Re: Immigrants, Legal and Illegal

Postby Coondog » 2014 Jul 14 11:20

Thanks, Crux, but this truly nutty leftist managed to slog through that whole tirade all the way to that most telling tribute to the run-on paragraph.

What is heard is that things are how they are because they're supposed to be and, ergo, always have been and therefore always should be.

The very use, or misuse as it were, of the term "Traditional American" staggers the imagination. It that a "code word" for "white Supremacist"? Or, more typically, is that a term for something that describes someone's self image and projection of something that used to be but has evolved into something unsavory to that self image.......which would belie the entire premise of continuity expressed hitherto?

Surely those who considered themselves Traditional Aztecs or Traditional Amorites held themselves is similar self esteem?

To the situation at hand:

For someone so concerned about the difference between borders and boarders, substitution of the term immigrant for the term refugee seems to be no problem at all.

Cowards? Yes! Congress might have addressed the issue of immigration-refugees but they would not because their circular and symbiotic relationship with their constituencies feeds the ignorance that precludes action in favor of political expediency.
But, at least we can now blame it on Obama, eh?

Breed like Rabbits? Is that what all this nonsense about contraceptives is all about? You're still trying to out breed every "non-Traditional American" entity.....like some dark ages post plague strategy to maintain cultural and religious superiority?

Well.....there's anther paradox for Traditional America to contemplate. That strategy ain't working, neither!

Finally, in as much as the "missionary" idea was denounced as being "hateful", that concept appears to be more readily acceptable near the end of the chopped snake's epic fantasy. So.....maybe we're not as inflexible as we think we are?

So....maybe we might stop whining about Obama and start working on a viable solution to the problem as it exists other than putting all those children on buses to Central America. Do you know how much that would cost in Gas?

:hail: Coondog

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I am actually starting to doubt your sanity...

Postby Crux » 2014 Jul 14 17:53

Coondog, Sir. You manage to say so little with so many words. I admit that brevity is sometimes my problem so I can criticize a fellow wordsmith.

That aside I do not have any idea what you just said. Simply, our Federal Government has nearly NO DUTY greater than SECURING OUR BORDERS.
They have failed. Lets be clear though. The failure is both through NEGLECT, and by design. What is happening now is a tragedy on many levels.

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So..........................

Postby Coondog » 2014 Jul 15 13:41

The answer to this most perplexing problem from Traditional America is to..........Blame Coondog!

You, cruxy, have the continual affectation to deny cause and effect when it exists, and, make cognitive connections between things when there are no connections to be found.

Yet, the complexity of Coondog somehow eludes you? Isn't your reaction just a bit like walking into a lecture about macroscopic quantum phenomena and telling the lecturer they're wrong because you have no idea what they're talking about?

Did you at least link to the Gergen-Katz article?

1. They offer a solution.

2. They didn't blame Coondog.

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Re: Immigrants, Legal and Illegal

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Re: Immigrants, Legal and Illegal

Postby Wise One » 2014 Jul 15 15:16

Bunches of poor crying children got into America. It's Obama's fault! Impeach him.

Poor poor crying children got deported, back into squalor and danger. It's Obama's fault! Impeach him.

BTW, Coondog, I marvel at your even keel and grip on sanity during the relentless torrent of nonsense that is Crux's fire hose.

Why doesn't this dang forum have a "Like" button?

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Re: Immigrants, Legal and Illegal

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Coyote in Chief

Postby Crux » 2014 Jul 18 19:43

Obama, Coyote in Chief of the United States, is using the Federal Government and hired contractors to bus, fly, and DROP OFF HUNDREDS and THOUSANDS of illegal aliens from Central America ALL OVER THE USA!!! D.C., Dallas, upstate Michigan, Massachusetts, Nebraska.... The reports are coming in, FINALLY. This crap has got to stop!!! But sadly, IT WILL CONTINUE because that is the plan by the Coyote in Chief....

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plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

Postby Neck-aint-red » 2014 Jul 19 10:21

The more things change, the more .

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Straight away you betray lacking.

Postby Crux » 2014 Jul 19 17:12

OF course, children have immigrated to the USA. Neck, you are aware that those immigrants coming through Ellis Island over 60 years WERE LEGAL???

Hello? Over 60 years about 150,000 immigrants came into our country LEGALLY. We naturalize over 700,000 EACH YEAR nowadays. We naturalized over 1 MILLION in 2008, a LEGAL PEAK. Two years ago 6,000 unaccompanied minors crossed our southern borders. This year just since October 60,000 have crossed. Are you really NOT AWARE of both history AND REALITY TODAY???

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Re: Immigrants, Legal and Illegal

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Ouch... Kevsky.... Go easy on the Left

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