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Re: Immigrants, Legal and Illegal

Postby Juggler » 2018 Nov 05 09:09

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Re: Immigrants, Legal and Illegal

Postby Cannoneer » 2018 Nov 26 10:13

Well jughead, I see you've put up another cartoon that advertises your ignorance.

With people from a foreign country ignoring our laws and border and throwing rocks at our border guards
would any of you libs like to weigh in and tell us right wing people what a bunch of ass holes we are for
not wanting these people to get away with forcing their way into OUR COUNTRY?

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Re: Immigrants, Legal and Illegal

Postby Wise One » 2018 Nov 27 09:15

Forcing their way in? You're a gullible victim of Fox/Hannity/Limbaugh propaganda.

Almost all travelled to the US border presenting themselves as refugees from crime and terrorism for the purpose of applying, as our laws provide, for legal admission.

The Trump administration has ignored our laws to manufacture a border crisis that does not exist here. The crises are in Honduras, etc.

The Trump administration should obey our laws, consider each applicant fairly under the law, and either admit or reject according to what the law requires.

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Re: Immigrants, Legal and Illegal

Postby Cannoneer » 2018 Nov 27 12:19

I guess that you are both blind and stupid. Are you living in a bubble?

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Re: Immigrants, Legal and Illegal

Postby Crux » 2018 Nov 27 18:18

Wise One wrote:Forcing their way in?

The Trump administration has ignored our laws to manufacture a border crisis that does not exist here.


What part of 50,000 ILLEGAL ENTRANTS into our country in ONE MONTH don't you understand?

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Re: Immigrants, Legal and Illegal

Postby Wise One » 2018 Nov 27 18:53

Crux wrote:What part of 50,000 ILLEGAL ENTRANTS into our country in ONE MONTH don't you understand?

The number you quote is arrests. Yes, folks are trying to get in. We have systems for dealing with them as we have for decades. The problem is manageable.

But hysteria is what Fox News and Trump need, so that's what they flame up for gullibles like you ... and you swallow it.

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Re: Immigrants, Legal and Illegal

Postby Cannoneer » 2018 Nov 28 10:53

wise?
YOU ARE BOTH BLIND AND STUPID.
WE DON'T HAVE A SYSTEM FOR DEALING WITH THEM AND THE PROBLEM IS NOT MANAGEABLE.
Do you really know what is going on at California's southern border?
A couple of weeks ago several thousand people on foot were invading Mexico's southern border.
Now they have traveled over 2000 miles to Mexico's northern border. They were walking.
Who bused them to our border.
Large groups of them have rushed our border crossing points and other groups are climbing out fence.
Some were throwing rocks at our border guards who responded with tear gas.

Many years ago an Englishman wrote that a government can only rule if the people allow them to.
If these thousands of people are having major problems with their government they should do something about it.
Just like our ancestors did.

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Re: Immigrants, Legal and Illegal

Postby Kevsky » 2018 Dec 03 07:23

Wise One wrote
Forcing their way in? You're a gullible victim of Fox/Hannity/Limbaugh propaganda.




Here is feed from MSNBC showing caravan members attempting to break in (forcing their way in?) to the U.S. border. Thank God, there are barriers (walls) in this section of the border preventing them from coming over. All these people were given the option of asylum in Mexico with food, lodging and safety. They refused. Your not a refugee if you are given the option of food, lodging and safety and refuse because you want a better outcome.

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Almost all travelled to the US border presenting themselves as refugees from crime and terrorism for the purpose of applying, as our laws provide, for legal admission.


And that is the new scam. In the past, irregardless of whether they were actual refugees or not, claiming to be a refugee entitled them entry in to the U.S. where they were given a court date to determine their eligibility. Most never appeared in court and took up residence as illegals. Under Bath-house Barak this was the protocol by which many illegals gained entry. Virtually all those using the pretext for this scam are knowledgeable if not coached in this procedure to allow them in to the country whether they were actually refugees or not and to scam the system by merely fading in to the darkness of the sanctuary cities and illegal underground, subverting the laws of our country. The system is broken in this regard and needs to be stopped.

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The Trump administration should obey our laws, consider each applicant fairly under the law, and either admit or reject according to what the law requires.

Really? We should ensure the Trump administration obey our laws but we are okay with foreign populations breaking our laws by entering our borders illegally and putting our citizens in danger at the hands of potential criminals, murderers, rapists, drug-dealers? Oh wait they said they were refugees. It's okay now. How ludicrous. The Trump administration is obeying the law. The 9th Circuit Court is again over-stepping their bounds in their temporary ban on the Trump administration's policy. This will be over-ruled in a higher court.

Our country has limited resources (land, water, food, clean air). Why do we want to diminish these resources by letting an endless population come in. A population that apparently has outstripped the resources of their lands due to uncontrolled breeding and now seek our resources. When I was born our country's population was 196 million. Today it is 326 million. Already, we are having water shortages in the western part of the U.S. We have urban sprawl in the northeastern corridor and many other parts of the U.S. Our non-immigrant population of citizens is actually performing the responsible and ethical imperative of maintaining a below replacement level population growth which, without immigration, would result in a smaller, sustainable population in the United States. Why is the left so adamant about drastically increasing the U.S. population growth through immigration thereby destroying forests, fields, farm land, increasing urban sprawl, increasing pollution, decreasing quality of life, increasing poverty, increasing unsustainability, etc. Is the left so adamant about bringing in a foreign population of democrat voters in order to win elections that they are willing to destroy the natural beauty, aesthetics and quality of life of our country to gain their electoral power? We as a country should be adamant about leaving our children the best possible quality of life available instead we have the left wanting to leave our future generations in abject poverty and an overpopulated country. The left has no qualms in their psychopathic zeal for power.

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Oh Goodness, do you suck???

Postby Crux » 2018 Dec 07 10:58

Wise One wrote:
Crux wrote:What part of 50,000 ILLEGAL ENTRANTS into our country in ONE MONTH don't you understand?

The number you quote is arrests. Yes, folks are trying to get in. We have systems for dealing with them as we have for decades. The problem is manageable.

But hysteria is what Fox News and Trump need, so that's what they flame up for gullibles like you ... and you swallow it.

:coffee:


Oh. 50,000 ARRESTS. So if we ARREST only one in 20? You are an ill informed CLOWN. Like a failed politician DRUNK on your own WIT.
MANAGEABLE? What part of 22,000,000 ILLEGAL PERSONS in our Country is "manageable". "We have a System", oh goodness, you suck.

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Re: Immigrants, Legal and Illegal

Postby Neck-aint-red » 2019 Jan 04 23:12

This guy's observation is on target.
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NATIONAL EMERGENCY

Postby Crux » 2019 Jan 05 15:35

Neck Hates, like so many FOOLS, compares Trump to Hitler and Stalin. So so stupid. What utter CRAP. :tongue3:

What Part of 20,000,000 ILLEGAL PERSONS in our Country do you not understand?
What Part of 50,000 ILLEGAL southern border crossings in ONE MONTH do you not understand?
What Part of 20,000 minors last year being trafficked into our Country ILLEGALLY do you not understand?
What Part of 250,000 Illegal Criminals being rounded up by ICE last year and kicked out or jailed do you not get?

1/4 of our Federal Prison Population is ILLEGAL PERSONS in our country who COMMITTED ALL MANNER of crimes.
A wall wouldn't cost more than the price tag for annual bill for health care for ILLEGAL PERSONS in our country.

Guess what walls work which is exactly why the Globalist Traitorous Democratic Party Leadership is against them.


The biggest black market business on the planet is HUMAN TRAFFICKING. 80% of women and girls coming this way from Central America are RAPED and sexually abused. The numbers of DEAD making the journey are in the THOUSANDS. The number of dead U.S. citizens at the hands of Illegals are in the THOUSANDS. Anything Trump does WILL be "constitutional". The HYSTERIA and opposition to Trump on the wall is bat shit crazy.

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Re: NATIONAL EMERGENCY

Postby Wise One » 2019 Jan 09 12:46

Crux wrote:1/4 of our Federal Prison Population is ILLEGAL PERSONS in our country

So much garbage that it's a waste of time to refute it all. Here's just one to show how easy it is to Lie with Statistics, relying on the reader to be unthinking and uncritical.

Only 9% of the total US prison population is federal. Only federal have legal authority over immigration matters, so it is completely unsurprising that they hold a large share.

Look at the other 91 % and you find that aliens of all kinds are a way smaller percentage than than US citizens.

Cherry-picking, lying, making stuff up, alarmism, relying on an audience too dumb to realize it ... these are the tools of the Trumpist trade.

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OK. How about a State: TEXAS

Postby Crux » 2019 Jan 09 21:36

Over 250,000 criminal aliens were booked in Texas local jails between June 2011 and April 2018. These individuals were charged with more than 663,000 offenses, including:

1,351 homicide charges
79,049 assault charges
18,685 burglary charges
79,900 drug charges
815 kidnapping charges
44,882 theft charges
50,777 obstructing police charges
4,292 robbery charges
7,156 sexual assault charges
9,938 weapons charges.

ALARM-ISM??? Manufactured Crisis??? :coffee: You never fail to disappoint.

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Re: Immigrants, Legal and Illegal

Postby Wise One » 2019 Jan 09 23:17

You didn't provide a reference, but I found it.

For example, for the homicides, those are charges, not homicides. (if five people robbed a 7-Eleven and a clerk was killed, they would all be charged.)

Convictions were less than 1/2 the number quoted.

Rough calculation is that for criminal aliens (not all of whom were immigration violators) convictions were about 7% of the total homicides in Texas. Considering demographics, that seems not unusual.

But rational analysis is not what Trumpies are interested in. They seek to scare the bejesus out of everybody to advance really dumb policies.

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The WALL, why it is SCARY, and your failed argument.

Postby Crux » 2019 Jan 10 09:19

Wise One wrote:You didn't provide a reference, but I found it.

For example, for the homicides, those are charges, not homicides.
But rational analysis is not what Trumpies are interested in. They seek to scare the bejesus out of everybody to advance really dumb policies.

:coffee:


You are a real piece of work. We all know that CHARGES are levied against those who have been identified or caught. Many HOMICIDES (as all other crimes) go unsolved. The assailants UNCHARGED. (no convictions)

Why do you struggle so? I will provide the answer: THE WALL WILL BE EFFECTIVE

The UTILITY of the wall against human, sex, and drug trafficking is self evident, where there is a wall. Our politicians, including Chuck and Nancy, both Clintons, Obama, and scores more of YOUR leadership have voted for the wall, and supported the wall. Empty words, as now we have a President who is determined to protect the citizens of this country by building it.

Trump IS building it, and WILL get it done. That is a PLUS.

AO, you are a lost cause.

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Re: Immigrants, Legal and Illegal

Postby Wise One » 2019 Feb 11 12:20

Trump's "Wall" will go down in history as one of the dumbest political ideas of all time.

Don't ask me.

Ask the congressional delegation of the state that has the longest border with Mexico.

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"Gulf to sea border wall"? POINT ONE:

Postby Crux » 2019 Feb 11 14:47

The first line of the article you linked to is a STRAW MAN, you...

No one, not Trump himself, is advocating a "gulf to sea border wall".

AO how are you helpful at all AO? The answer is you are not. I don't even think you believe the crap you advance. PURE DISINFO.
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POINT TWO:

Postby Crux » 2019 Feb 11 15:07

Wise One wrote:Trump's "Wall" will go down in history as one of the dumbest political ideas of all time.

Don't ask me.

Ask the congressional delegation of the state that has the longest border with Mexico.

:coffee:


Texas, the State above cited in the CRAP article by AO, is going to be perhaps funding the BUILDING OF A WALL with it's own STATE FUNDS.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019 ... l-funding/

crux -It's easy to be factual, discern the truth or at least much of it, however not if you listen to "The 'wise' one". He is a CRANK. :pat: