Is America becoming a Third World Country?

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Re: Is America becoming a Third World Country?

Postby Neck-aint-red » 2014 May 08 09:45

Ho hum.
Issa and Republicans being their contemptible selves again.
There's this little thing called the 5th Amendment.
Their soap-boxing will go nowhere.

Pot calling the kettle ... contemptible.

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A too casual observor?

Postby Crux » 2014 May 09 03:29

We will see on that. She may have violated the legal structure in the way she took the Fifth. If you are not aware of HOW, you are not paying attention.

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Re: Is America becoming a Third World Country?

Postby Juggler » 2014 May 10 21:29

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Re: Is America becoming a Third World Country?

Postby Wise One » 2014 Oct 25 11:35

There is much that is great about the United States.
And there is some that is not, and our duty as citizens is to try to change those things for the better.
Ideological rantings by right wing conservatives do not recognize this.
For example, consider the electoral systems of two countries:

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Aha, but the right winger objects, saying something like "But we have free enterprise and capitalism and that's why we're the strongest economy on earth." Not so fast, buckaroo. Comparing per capita incomes in Norway and United States gives:

Norway = 2nd highest in the world; United States = 9th place.

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Re: Is America becoming a Third World Country?

Postby Kevsky » 2014 Oct 26 10:03

Aha, but the right winger objects, saying something like "But we have free enterprise and capitalism and that's why we're the strongest economy on earth." Not so fast, buckaroo. Comparing per capita incomes in Norway and United States gives:

Create you own strawman eh?

1. From the very same source you cite your per capita income comparison;
The figures presented here do not take into account differences in the cost of living in different countries, and the results can vary greatly from one year to another based on fluctuations in the exchange rates of the country's currency. Such fluctuations may change a country's ranking from one year to the next, even though they often make little or no difference to the standard of living of its population.

Therefore these figures should be used with caution. GDP per capita is often considered an indicator of a country's standard of living;[2][3] although this can be problematic because GDP per capita is not a measure of personal income. See Standard of living and GDP.
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Export revenues from oil and gas have risen to almost 50% of total exports and constitute more than 20% of the GDP.[118] Norway is the fifth-largest oil exporter and third-largest gas exporter in the world, but it is not a member of OPEC
Norway has a high GDP not because of socialism or big government or any other of the causes the leftists want to push. Norway has a high GDP because of its oil reserves.

3. Funny how we pick and choose what Socialist countries to cite as examples of better per capita GDP than the U.S.

United States -$53,001
Ireland -$48,608
Ireland has arguably one of the best welfare systems in the world, with unemployment checks higher on average than Denmark or Switzerland’s average. Around 25 percent of Ireland’s GDP goes towards paying for the welfare system, as compared to 15 percent of America’ GDP towards America’s social support programs.

Belgium -$45,538
France -$44,099
Vietnam -$ 1,901
Hey Vietnam has universal health care.

4. Since Norway has a population of just over 5 million and the U.S. well over 300 million a comparison is really meaningless. But why not try. The left has exhausted any ability to make good arguments for socialist programs so they are left searching for spurious correlations to cite in an attempt to link Socialism with higher standards of living.

On that note:

Luxembourg Leads The World in Drinking

Luxembourg also has the highest GDP per capita. Does that mean that heavy drinking leads to a higher standard of living?

Correlation and cause. There is a difference

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Re: Is America becoming a Third World Country?

Postby Wise One » 2014 Oct 26 14:46

Well argued, even if we differ significantly. Some thoughts in response:
  1. Yes, costs of living vary but no, that is not very relevant. The largest factor, among all the factors that drive the cost of living, is affluence. Where there is more money, prices are higher ... thus require the immutable laws of economics. Don't let the egg eat your chicken.
  2. Yes, Norway has successful products (oil, lutefisk, ...). So do we (fossil fuels, movies/TV/music, software, ...). The point is that large voter participation does not cause abject economic failure.
  3. Aha, now it's you to "create your own straw man." I did NOT pick "socialist countries." I picked democracies (Norway and US) with markedly different voter participation rates, to support my contention that high voter participation is a friend to economic health.
  4. I agree with your facts showing that the US under-spends in welfare/transfer payments among civilized nations.
  5. I'd say that the size of a country is irrelevant. What matters to real live people is per capita income. In a democracy real people get a say in how their per capita income is apportioned among private and public needs. The more people participate, the more accurate that apportionment is in reflecting the will of the people.
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Re: Is America becoming a Third World Country?

Postby Bigbux Stogeychomper » 2014 Oct 27 07:58

Yay, we're number 5, we're number 5.

Take that, Singapore.

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Re: Is America becoming a Third World Country?

Postby Bigbux Stogeychomper » 2014 Oct 28 12:58

I am feeling very, very good about the upcoming election.

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We are number 12!

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Re: Is America becoming a Third World Country?

Postby nudgewink » 2017 Aug 13 16:30

In this, it is clear. We are not just a third world country, we are WORSE than a third world country.

This has to stop, and yet Trump's Attorney General is determined to throw even more people in jail, for longer terms, for minor infractions of law.

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